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EvilZakkie Wrote:

Breeze Wrote:
What about my husband and I were there is NO one in the family with autism or any other neurological disorder for that matter. How can it be genetic then?

Retts syndrome is very dibilitating.  I've seen a girl with it she was 12 - they have problems with using their muscles . She couldnt walk and had leg braces on to keep her legs straight while her mom tried to move her around places. She couldnt move her hands Sad or her body at all.


Genetic doesn't have to mean direct inheritable - for example, autism might be a complex set of genes. In this case, both you and your partner would have some of these, and your son recieved the full combination.

This doesn't mean that you and your husband are both "a little bit autistic", the same way that flour and eggs aren't individually "a little bit cakey".

I probably shouldn't be saying this, as it's based on very little evidence - but another option is that your husband might want to look into the aspergers thing, if he's interested. From some of your earlier posts, I remember you mentioning autistic traits in his family, and the fact that he's a D&D player (it's a bit of a stereotype, but RPG's are a very common aspie interest).

Smile My husband plays several RPG's (Not just D&D), I didnt even know what the letters stood for but I asked him Smile LOL. He completely looses track of time when he plays too. He is very much into video games of all sorts.  He's somewhat of a child Smile .He is also a computer "geek" . He builds them and works with them - He works in computer networking. I forget his exact title Wink  I doubt he'll look into aspergers though - or how should he look into it?

I have thoughts about one of his uncles having AS. I dont know for sure. I hardly ever see him at social functions to tell but perhaps that is an indicator. He's in his 40s I think and was never married. When I do see him you have to talk to him first - he never approaches you for communication. He is the only person I can see as a possible though.

Yeah my husband told me that the other day.  Its on the D& D website at least it was when he checked.

theosoph Wrote:
btw this is off topic but did you all hear that Gary Gygax, creator of D&D recently died? RIP GG, I too used to play.

My husband just started playing a year ago - I think mainly to hang out with his friends they are really into it. They have all the books and such. My husband doesnt have any of that. Just the dice.
I guess it was Monday that he died, I asked the husband Smile

theosoph Wrote:
btw this is off topic but did you all hear that Gary Gygax, creator of D&D recently died? RIP GG, I too used to play.

EvilZakkie Wrote:
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Entirely up to him - if he's getting along fine, it's probably only something he'd want to look at for fun or self-understanding.

The easiest and most non-threatening way would be to get him to do some of the online aspie quizzes, etc - not so much so they can give him an answer, but because the questions themselves are a very good way to get an understanding of what aspergers is.

I'd be very curious to find out, as I've never actually found a couple that had an autistic child without one of the parents having some autistic traits - which isn't to say that it's not possible, just that I've never seen it. In fact, I would never have mentioned it except for the fact that you have an autistic child.

I've met plenty of parents where one of the two was obviously in denial, though...

I can see if he would take it. If he does I'll post the results for you. I took the quiz and got an aspie score of 22 out of 200 so it aint me Wink lol

Exactly! Smile I cant understand mothers that dont give vaccines to try to aviod "causing" autism in a second child. Think about what the vaccines are preventing. There are worse things then autism.

earthmonkey Wrote:
And heck, using a hypothetical here, even if it was absolutely proven that vaccines cause autism, I'd WAY rather my future kids have autism than die of preventable diseases.

I can tell you the vaccines I had as a child (I'm 29) were a lot less then my kids are getting they are 4 and 5 years old. You can look on CDC website and it tells you what vaccines at what age. I wish I could see a genetic link in our family - I just am questioning one of my husbands uncles but no one definite that was dx'ed.

Batman55 Wrote:

Is the vote here for genetics, or for vaccines?  What were childhood vaccines like, 60-75 years ago..?

Ah! ok I just found it fast and didnt read all of it Smile
There is no schizophrenia , mental retardation, downs , torettes syndrome or anything like that in our families. There are migraines in the family. My cousin had a son with muscular dystropy. Other then that there is nothing. I could see where someone could have AS somewhere that wasnt diagnosed or noticed since the dx is relatively new.
I have a couple more articles I got sent to me. The first is about the girl with the mitochondrial disorder - I guess her mom has the disorder but no autism so they think it was the vaccines. http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/condition...index.html

This link is for a 1.5 hour video. It kind of drove me nuts - It talks about conspiracies between the CDC and the Institute of Medicine. Basically saying they altered the numbers to show there was no link but there is . I watched 20 min and couldnt watch no more. I'm not big on conspiracies.
http://video.google.com/videoplaydocid=6...&plindex=1

Just in case anyone is interested.
That is what I think. It all goes back to autistics not excreting the metals in the vaccines. That is what I think anyhow.

erkolos Wrote:
Some says a combination of genetics and vaccines.

so the idea is that genes let the vaccines make you autistic.

Yes, He started to regress at 18 months. The whole thing was gradual so it was a couple months before it was all gone. I just thought  since his older brother was waiting on him Wink that was why he stopped asking for things.

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Breeze Wrote:
Think the article explains it all. My son developed "normally" till 18 months as his doctor observed through videos of him and then at 20 months regressed as well. He lost speech/ eye contact / responding to his name. I just got the article from my other group and thought perhaps some would find it interesting as I did. Smile

shamshir1218 Wrote:
WHAT?!?!?!?

HOW?!?!?!?


But don't the symptoms usually appear at around the 18 month mark?

Yeah, most likely. I'm not really sure on his uncle I"m just trying to find someone and he is the only introvert on his side. All the others are major extroverts LOL. I wouldnt say my husband is an introvert just nonconfrontational - he doesnt argue with people. My cousin has a son who is gifted in school but doesnt seem to play with other kids well - he is almost a bully- I'm not sure if he means to be or if he just doesnt do well socially. I'll have to observe more on that at the family reunion this summer Smile I just want to find out where it came from - not that it really matters.

Batman55 Wrote:

Breeze Wrote:
I wish I could see a genetic link in our family - I just am questioning one of my husbands uncles but no one definite that was dx'ed.


Not to seem like an expert, but I have a suggestion.  You say you're looking for a genetic link to AS/autism in your family.  And I'm not sure if you said it in this thread or another, but somewhere along the line you described your husband as an "uber-nerd" with an introverted personality.  And you've said many times that one of your husband's uncles is probable AS, even though it's just guesswork.

To me it seems like you have your answer--it's on your husband's side.

Smile Exactly. I remember I was on a forum that was against vaccines (none were vaccinating their kids). They were removing their teeth with metal fillings to chelate themselves and their kids.

I told them if they were looking to rid themselves of all mercury then they shouldnt go outside since its in the soil - they shouldnt eat due to it being in food Wink etc. Needless to say my stay there was very short Wink LOL. They were extremists and drove me nuts!

erkolos Wrote:
... but I heard the other day that exposed mercury to the body by vaccines is not significant compared to other environmental daily factors.

Just something you might check up. Not much interested in this right now.

There is no thimersol in MMR - there never was. Its a live virus so they dont need the preservative. I dont understand why everyone things it is the MMR and say its the thimersol. It doesnt make sense to me.

erkolos Wrote:
Yeah, and I'm abit confused now as to whether or not the MMR vaccine ever has contained thimerosal. There's some sayings swaying back and forth "THIMEROSAL IN THE MMR VAX CAUSE AUTISM!!!" and "STFU THE MMR VAX NEVER CONTAINED THIMEROSAL CUZ IT'S A LIVE VIRUS VAX".

There was one blog post with the comment about the thimerosal and MMR theory believers - "Can they both be right?"

Just learnt that the controversy has two parts apparently, and there seems to be others who haven't learnt it too. The other day when I mentioned the thimerosal controversy on a norwegian news forum someone came up saying "Eh, you're wrong. The american government has just conceded the MMR autism link".

Ofcourse I brought him the latest news on it, but yet again they take things personal and attack me instead of my message... Sad

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