Children start getting vaccinated before they are even released from the hospital. Hep B is given at a day old.
Also, the people doing the 14 studies is none other then the CDC (center for disease control). Obviously they are not going to take blame in something they did or find fault with it.
I didn't know that about the Hep B vaccinations...
About the other point, the studies were done by the Institute of Medicine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Medicine), as per this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_con...Thiomersal). The IOM is a non-governmental, not-for-profit organisation.
Yep and then they get more at 2 weeks old 
Its craziness. My kids have prob have 20-30 shots and my youngest is 4. Sometimes they get 6 at a time. Way too many.
Thanks for the links. I never heard of the Institute of Medicine. I read the articles 
Thanks. I think its dangerous not to vaccinate! I know some moms who didnt vaccinate their second child because they said it "caused" autism and their other children got diagnosed anyways.
Completely off topic so sorry , but have you come across articles pertaining to genetic links for migraines/autism. Migraines run in my family, myself included. A friend of mine brought up a good point of light/sound sensitivies with migraines being like sensory issues in someone with autism. I thought it was something to look into.
*grins* No probs.
I only found out about them doing research for other debates like this one - it's amazing how many big organisations out there you just don't hear about until you dig for a while...
Thanks anyways
If you come across one let me know. I"m still looking but havnt seen any. Perhaps that is the genetic link for us then. I know I have horrible ones and a couple people in my family. I had to go for a CAT scan when I was a teenager - they were that bad - I had prescriptions for them.
Completely off topic so sorry , but have you come across articles pertaining to genetic links for migraines/autism. Migraines run in my family, myself included. A friend of mine brought up a good point of light/sound sensitivies with migraines being like sensory issues in someone with autism. I thought it was something to look into.
It makes sense that there could be a connection (as in AS sensory issues causing migraines), but I've never seen any articles on it...
Definately the way I look at it
If the diagnosis for Autism has become more exact... then Autism has never been "on the rise" its always been there but undiagnosed?
Where is what? If my other group its a local parents support group. Its not really a forum but email based .
I could find the links again. I do know that most of the moms had the RhoGam shot when pregnant if you google Rhogam and autism you'll find a lot
I definately think children with autism react differently to the shots and can't excrete the metals in them. I do vaccinate my son still. I know many parents from my other group that stopped. I do agree its dangerous.
Where is it?
Where is the solid proof that supports your statement?
I wouldnt trust the makers of vaccines to do the research. I know the CDC has done a few. Obviously, they arent going to say "Oh yeah vaccines cause autism " . No body would vaccinate their kids. I know a few parents that ask there doctor about the shots/autism because its getting so much publicity.
an argument is raised that the 18 studies were done by an organization that has a bias and may be "skewing" data to maintain the face of integrity.
Are you referring to me? Just wanted to clarify
I mean, they bring up the vaccine theory when it is TOTALLY unrelated.
Ah OK
My parent group is like that for the most part. Since both my boys had the same vaccines and only one is on the spectrum - I dont believe its the vaccines.
OH and thanks for the chatroom help. I needed Java and hubby downloaded it so I"m all set now.
Are you referring to me? Just wanted to clarify
I mean, they bring up the vaccine theory when it is TOTALLY unrelated.
No I'm refering to people commenting news articles in any way related to autism always shouting:
"IT WAS THE VACCINES"
Think a discussion about the vaccine theory was dominating the comments below an article about facilitated communication once.
I'm a she
I have my doubts at times about the vaccines. My typical son had a couple shots later then his brother which I guess might have made some difference. My younger son had flu shots at a younger age. I didnt do flu shots this year - they have mercury free for infants and I wanted the baby shot (3 and under). They told me they were all mercury free and when I asked them again said they had thimersol
All I know is from videos of my son (all of which his doctor saw before diagnosing) said he was developmental on track - he regressed at around 20 months.
They started removing the thimersol I believe in 2002 however, if the shots are on the shevles they can use them because there was nothing proven. The doctor has the vaccine lot numbers and can check that out.
I just saw contact solution has thimersol! I just read that yesterday somewhere. I have to check my husbands
Crazy.
The really interesting issue here to me is how many of us don't want to believe in any mercury autism connection. Even Breeze who seems a little more open minded shows his bias about it. I'm not saying there is or isn't a connection but I have my own anecdotal experiences.
When I was about 8 my mother to me on a trip to another country. I had to get several shots for the trip. When we returned something happened to me. I became very afraid of germs and being dirty. I wouldn't touch objects because my mind would race and think of all the filthy things that could have touched it before and I washed my hands constantly. After a few months these thoughts went away. Later when I started wearing contact lenses, I used a saline solution preserved with thimerisol. This was when I found out I was very allergic to it. Now I would never want it injected into me in any amount or form. I no longer get any flu shots or any other shots for that matter.
I don't want get into an argument about whether or not there is a connection. I just want to point out the bias on both sides of the issue. Most here don't want it to be true because it would mean we are damaged and not just different.
I see one simple solution for the people who argue that not immunizing children to avoid autism is dangerous. Removing the thimerisol from the vaccines would actually be very simple. The pharmacutical companies have already begun quietly doing this.
I know what you mean. I get nervous everytime I bring my boys for shots. I've been researching them online first and asking question before they give them
I'm probably driving them nuts.
I still make sure I'm up to date on injections, but every time I feel like I'm choosing the lesser of two evils, when it shouldn't even be an issue.
What about my husband and I were there is NO one in the family with autism or any other neurological disorder for that matter. How can it be genetic then?
Retts syndrome is very dibilitating. I've seen a girl with it she was 12 - they have problems with using their muscles . She couldnt walk and had leg braces on to keep her legs straight while her mom tried to move her around places. She couldnt move her hands
or her body at all.
Thanks for the article but I thought loss of language was a criteria -? its a "red flag" I know that much. Hmm interesting.
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=735
Kevin Leitch's reply.
Sorry for not getting back sooner - been crazy busy. I found this article that mentions heavy metals and autism.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3842
I definately think children with autism react differently to the shots and can't excrete the metals in them. I do vaccinate my son still. I know many parents from my other group that stopped. I do agree its dangerous.
Where is it?
Where is the solid proof that supports your statement?