03-30-2005, 11:07 PM
03-31-2005, 02:15 AM
Greetings,
One thing is certainly clear : in the eyes of these people, the lives of the disabled are definately less valuable.
What is the underlying reason for it? Is it some evolutionary thing like discarding the weak so the strong can progress?
How can people in this day and age be so utterly F***ING STUPID that they cant see these things which are right in front of their faces.
As for the parents - if they cannot love their child the same as any other then they do not deserve children. If they do not posess the intelligence to see what is wrong with this whole picture then they do not deserve children. I have no sympathy for them. I'm not a parent but I know plenty of people who are, here and elsewhere.
One thing is certainly clear : in the eyes of these people, the lives of the disabled are definately less valuable.
What is the underlying reason for it? Is it some evolutionary thing like discarding the weak so the strong can progress?
How can people in this day and age be so utterly F***ING STUPID that they cant see these things which are right in front of their faces.
As for the parents - if they cannot love their child the same as any other then they do not deserve children. If they do not posess the intelligence to see what is wrong with this whole picture then they do not deserve children. I have no sympathy for them. I'm not a parent but I know plenty of people who are, here and elsewhere.
03-31-2005, 07:39 AM
I remain solidly behind my view that once the brain stops working (and flat-lined EEGs are as close to *gone* as you can get), it doesn't matter whether you once were NT, autistic or somewhere in between - what made *you*, *you*, is gone. Is "being dead" a disability, too? :roll:
03-31-2005, 07:52 AM
Well, there's bad parenting for you. I've never had an opinion on the Terry Schiavo case, because there's no way I can trust either side. If she was completely unconscious and had 'lost' all of her mind with no hope of return, then I think it's ok to let her die.
If she was conscious and aware, then it certainly wouldn't be acceptable to kill her, and I'm not going to try and make a diagnoses on someone's condition based on contradictory statements and a few seconds of video.
Most of these autistic examples are just deadbeat parents.
If she was conscious and aware, then it certainly wouldn't be acceptable to kill her, and I'm not going to try and make a diagnoses on someone's condition based on contradictory statements and a few seconds of video.
Most of these autistic examples are just deadbeat parents.
03-31-2005, 11:40 AM
"Is "being dead" a disability, too?"
People are either alive or dead, and Terry Shiavo is alive.
People are either alive or dead, and Terry Shiavo is alive.
03-31-2005, 11:41 AM
Very sad, yes.
These people just have thin borders, And are easily pushed by these children and maybe adults. But this shows you how unstable they are aswell.
Terrance died of suffocation while being sat upon by the minister during a prayer service to "release him from demons"
Now that is what i don't understand not well. How could he be evil in anyway?
These people just have thin borders, And are easily pushed by these children and maybe adults. But this shows you how unstable they are aswell.
Terrance died of suffocation while being sat upon by the minister during a prayer service to "release him from demons"
Now that is what i don't understand not well. How could he be evil in anyway?
03-31-2005, 01:26 PM
boloop Wrote:
Now that is what i don't understand not well. How could he be evil in anyway?
As far as I'm aware, demonic possession is not about believing the person who is possessed is "evil".
03-31-2005, 01:55 PM
It would depend in what religion I suppose. Voodoo believes in posession, and also that zombies can exist. If people in various religions don't accept that autism is a reality and attribute behaviour to a demon, posession, "evil" it is a horrible thought of what must be going on around the world in cultures that have little knowledge of neurological differences.
In the past it was thought that epilepsy was caused by demonic posession.
In the past it was thought that epilepsy was caused by demonic posession.
03-31-2005, 02:56 PM
Amy Wrote:
It would depend in what religion I suppose. Voodoo believes in posession, and also that zombies can exist. If people in various religions don't accept that autism is a reality and attribute behaviour to a demon, posession, "evil" it is a horrible thought of what must be going on around the world in cultures that have little knowledge of neurological differences.
In the past it was thought that epilepsy was caused by demonic posession.
In the past it was thought that epilepsy was caused by demonic posession.
Don't get me wrong & sorry if that wasn't clear, I am obviously not condoning this, I was just pointing out that when someone is supposedly "possessed" they are not usually accused of "being evil" themselves.
03-31-2005, 03:04 PM
Just heard on the radio - she has died.
03-31-2005, 03:09 PM
Noetic Wrote:
Amy Wrote:
It would depend in what religion I suppose. Voodoo believes in posession, and also that zombies can exist. If people in various religions don't accept that autism is a reality and attribute behaviour to a demon, posession, "evil" it is a horrible thought of what must be going on around the world in cultures that have little knowledge of neurological differences.
In the past it was thought that epilepsy was caused by demonic posession.
In the past it was thought that epilepsy was caused by demonic posession.
Don't get me wrong & sorry if that wasn't clear, I am obviously not condoning this, I was just pointing out that when someone is supposedly "possessed" they are not usually accused of "being evil" themselves.
Yes I know you weren't condoning it.
03-31-2005, 08:35 PM
Hi,
My personal opinion is that these are separate issues. Terri Schiavo's case was decided in part on evidence that she said she would want to be allowed to die under these circumstances. It was more about her rights, and what to do now that she couldn't express an opinion, not her husband's right to kill her or her parent's rights to take care of her.
So if the autistic people who were killed by their caretakers were unwilling participants in their own deaths, that's different. I don't think anyone has the right to actively take the life of someone unwilling to relinquish it.
More interesting question: if an (adult) autistic person expressed the desire to be allowed to die if he ever ended up like Terri, should his preference be considered, or ignored because he's not NT? How about if he wanted to die if he became more severely autistic? Is it more offensive to agree to his request or ignore it on the theory that he can't possibly know better than his NT caregivers? How about if he wanted to die if his brain became disabled with NT-like thinking?
My personal opinion is that these are separate issues. Terri Schiavo's case was decided in part on evidence that she said she would want to be allowed to die under these circumstances. It was more about her rights, and what to do now that she couldn't express an opinion, not her husband's right to kill her or her parent's rights to take care of her.
So if the autistic people who were killed by their caretakers were unwilling participants in their own deaths, that's different. I don't think anyone has the right to actively take the life of someone unwilling to relinquish it.
More interesting question: if an (adult) autistic person expressed the desire to be allowed to die if he ever ended up like Terri, should his preference be considered, or ignored because he's not NT? How about if he wanted to die if he became more severely autistic? Is it more offensive to agree to his request or ignore it on the theory that he can't possibly know better than his NT caregivers? How about if he wanted to die if his brain became disabled with NT-like thinking?