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personally the only thing i'd focus on is communication.
spectrum from verbal to limited verbal to non verbal to zero communication.
everyone should try to work as far up as they can but you still might have problems with some aspects of being with other people even if you can talk fluently.
i don't know how other people define it.
being under attack by other people doesn't make you low functioning though.
lots of nts have to deal with that kind of stuff.

GuessWho Wrote:
I used to think, thank you God, that you made me a

gifted but awkward, rejected, lonely, maybe loner Aspie who at least earns a living and pays taxes, gobbled up quite a bit of higher education, and would probably make a good husband when discovered.

instead of a

non-verbal low-functioning autistic requiring a lifetime of supervised care (with all the nightmares parents have of plate spinning, feces smearing, undressing in public, and even more embarassing from that point on)

Maybe the two are not that different: we have seen that some "LFA" are people with hidden abilities, only trapped inside their minds.
We're trapped too, in another way, not so severely, but still painfully in an unforgiving culture: not able to reach jobs or romantic bliss.  Because we don't know how to reach them all the way, we need their help to reach us in the middle, but most of the time, their attitude is to disappear or die: there are plenty of them for them to deal with, and they are used to themselves.  Only the smallest fringe of them would actually dare to murder us, but many more would not mind if we disappear.


ATM: I believe that, some day, "LFA" folks will be led to their Mission on Earth.  It will be a time in the future.  Therefore, the "cure" that some hope for, and others fear, will probably not come.  That does not mean that we will not make life better through effective medicines.  It is just that the good qualities will be used to raise up new Prophets and discerners of the Law, leaving the Spectrum in existence until its purpose is complete.

That is my private belief that I will share just this once.  I will rest for the week on this thought.  I feel no real need to discuss it at this time.  I will let the issue rest.

All the best.

I think the labels box people in or tend to distract one from action - how much introspection can one do or should one do? Will understanding oneself better help more or less than understanding others more or less? Is making sure that others know your quirks really important?  Where one can get stuck is in defining - I truly think LFA/HFA autie and/or aspie, subgroups and classifications do more harm than good.

How about the choice, the freedom one should have (aspie or not) to be apart of the cycle or check out for a while.  
Oh Master grant that I may never seek, so much to be consoled as to console, to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to love with all my soul.  
ATM - I will search for a really great sermon I heard the other day on the radio - it was very inspirational on ones Mission or Pripose on this earth and how to best be who we were born to be - to hold ourselves up to no one else but that spirit that is in us.
That statement above needs to be qualified a bit - I realize that those with problems or issues they are currently dealing with need to be introspective (at least) and that anxiety needs to be properly dealt with personally - I was speaking about those in regular real world dealings and suggesting that focussing only on what affects oneself instead of a more big picture view... and spending time communicating too much with any old NT all about how things affect you and where on the spectrum you think you fall and all that will not help you and may worsen the way others treat you.

I can not seem to be able to communicate coherently here - I give up -sorry that I wrote somuch crap - I can barley undersatnd where I am coming from here...

atypical Wrote:
That statement above needs to be qualified a bit - I realize that those with problems or issues they are currently dealing with need to be introspective (at least) and that anxiety needs to be properly dealt with personally - I was speaking about those in regular real world dealings and suggesting that focussing only on what affects oneself instead of a more big picture view... and spending time communicating too much with any old NT all about how things affect you and where on the spectrum you think you fall and all that will not help you and may worsen the way others treat you.

I can not seem to be able to communicate coherently here - I give up -sorry that I wrote somuch crap - I can barley undersatnd where I am coming from here...


ATM: I did not read any "crap."  I read an intelligent comment about the need to rise above the ego.  It is true on a very ultimate level.  

I believe, however, that there are sub-groups that do arise based on shared needs.  That is true on its level also.  

All the best.

A True Monotheist Wrote:

atypical Wrote:
That statement above needs to be qualified a bit - I realize that those with problems or issues they are currently dealing with need to be introspective (at least) and that anxiety needs to be properly dealt with personally - I was speaking about those in regular real world dealings and suggesting that focussing only on what affects oneself instead of a more big picture view... and spending time communicating too much with any old NT all about how things affect you and where on the spectrum you think you fall and all that will not help you and may worsen the way others treat you.

I can not seem to be able to communicate coherently here - I give up -sorry that I wrote somuch crap - I can barley undersatnd where I am coming from here...


ATM: I did not read any "crap."  I read an intelligent comment about the need to rise above the ego.  It is true on a very ultimate level.  

I believe, however, that there are sub-groups that do arise based on shared needs.  That is true on its level also.  

All the best.

Hey thanks for the kindness. You read thru all those typos! So many typing errors and my inability to get the wording to be less ambivilent. How I am writing lately seems more easily misconstrued.

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