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I'm 18. I don't know if I count as a teen, but I'm still in high school.

For some reason, I hated myself for being an AS. I look at normal kids talking and playing football and games together. You look ar yourself and you have no one to be with. Have you ever dreamed of being them, just like them? Or would you rather be an aspie. I wanted to be like them for a change.

I have a question.

What's the difference between and Aspie teen and a NT teen? What about Adults?

Is it better to be an aspie?

Lucario Wrote:
What's the difference between and Aspie teen and a NT teen? What about Adults?

Is it better to be an aspie?


From what I've seen, there's such a huge range of people under the  aspergers label that it would be difficult to say what a "typical" aspie teen or adult was like. Closest thing I can think of to say is that aspergers seems to exaggerate who you are.

As for whether or not it's better? Nope, it's just different. Not worse either.

I think I'm lucky as an Aspie. For some reason that I cannot explain I am actually fairly popular in my school. I have a large group of friends. That is not to say that I haven't recieved harrasment, or torture from some kids ecpecially when I was younger. But by some sort of Luck I found one friend when I was younger, this guy was really social, and by following him around I slowly made friends, now I rarely talk to him...but ya know.

Mind you i don't really understand them a lot of the time, and vice versa. But hey.



So to awnser your question I have no idea because i'm not NT.
I think it would be very difficult to say what the 'difference' is between them without having experienced it from both perspectives personally.  I can tell you that being a teen can be very difficult for everyone - I may have hid my insecurity/anxiety as a NT - but I still went through trials and tribulations.  It is part of making that transition from childhood to adulthood.  

Wonderful learning experience - but I wouldn't want to go back to being a teen again Wink
NT teens are less likely to name themselves after Pokemon.

(Welcome to the boards, BTW.)

SheWhoCan'tThinkOfAUsername Wrote:
NT teens are less likely to name themselves after Pokemon.

(Welcome to the boards, BTW.)


Oi! Tongue

ah...NT vs AS..?

well, i guess.. i have been both really lucky and really unlucky...

at the schools i have been to, all of which were really small time, i have befriended, or at least got to first name terms, with maybe...85% of the population?

its the other 15% who gave me hell (twisted spine, concussions, black eyes, damaged knees....).

now i am back in state education though....at a college, and the amount of verbal abuse i get is unreal.

Ian Wrote:
Oh verbal abuse eh? meh I just glare at the skater doods in the corridor..tends to shut em up.

People seem to think i'm a lecturer or other member of staff lol.


yeah...i look nothing like a tutor :p

and glaring? i just give 'em the ol' icy "oh look, i stepped in something" look, and keep walking.

Natalie Wrote:

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look at normal kids talking and playing football and games together. You look ar yourself and you have no one to be with. Have you ever dreamed of being them, just like them? Or would you rather be an aspie. I wanted to be like them for a change.

I absolutely hate football/sports/drama, so no, I've never felt the urge to be like "them". I would rather be working on my fish tanks, taking care of my snakes, or out in the scrub looking for rare birds. I would much rather do what I want to do.

I think I get more enjoyment out of my activities than they get out of theirs (from what I've seen of them).


and with this i hit the damn limit.

exactly Natalie; i get more enjoyment out of a lesser thing than they do out of many.

Lucario Wrote:
I'm 18. I don't know if I count as a teen, but I'm still in high school.

For some reason, I hated myself for being an AS. I look at normal kids talking and playing football and games together. You look ar yourself and you have no one to be with. Have you ever dreamed of being them, just like them? Or would you rather be an aspie. I wanted to be like them for a change.

I have a question.

What's the difference between and Aspie teen and a NT teen? What about Adults?

Is it better to be an aspie?


I know what you mean about looking at everyone else talking and having a laugh. I'm 14 and I admit that I do want that, and I am trying to get to know people now. I don't want to be NT though, and I look at increasing my social skills as learning a new skill, like learning a language or IT.

I think that it's probably worse to be aspie in secondary school as teh system just wasn't designed ofr you and it can be a nightmare. I'm OK now as I've been there a while and settled in, but it was awful when I first went up and immediately made more enemies than mates.
In general it isn't better to be aspie or NT- they're just two different types of people and you can't say one type is better than the other.

The difference between an aspie teen and an NT teen is that the aspie teen will have a few traits that make him/her stand out, and they are likely to be more socially awkward than NTs. NTs are likely to be more concerned with fitting in and more likely to blindly folow their friends, but they are going to be more socially competent and will be unaffected by the little things that drive aspies mental.

There are pros and cons to both sides.

The difference between an aspie teen and an aspie adult is that adults are out of Secondary School and will have had a chance to go where they want and only mix with others when it suits tham. As a result they will be more adjusted and cnfident than teens, who are often intimidated as they are forced to mix with other teens. Aspie adults will also have picked up enough social skills to get by and will also have techniques for dealing with stress in public. They are also more likely to have accepted their AS. [/font]

SheWhoCan'tThinkOfAUsername Wrote:
NT teens are less likely to name themselves after Pokemon.

(Welcome to the boards, BTW.)



At least I can think of a username!

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At least I can think of a username!


NNN! *sticks out tongue*

But hey, Pokemon is my special interest. :3

Lucario Wrote:
I'm 18. I don't know if I count as a teen, but I'm still in high school.

For some reason, I hated myself for being an AS. I look at normal kids talking and playing football and games together. You look ar yourself and you have no one to be with. Have you ever dreamed of being them, just like them? Or would you rather be an aspie. I wanted to be like them for a change.

I have a question.

What's the difference between and Aspie teen and a NT teen? What about Adults?

Is it better to be an aspie?


ATM: Strangely enough, I was an "Aspie" teen without knowing it.  I knew that I was not Neuro-typical.  However, I did not know, or ever suspect, that I had any form of Autism.  Therefore, my experiences might be interesting to you.

I had all of either regular, or else Honors classes.  However, I had a strange disconnect with the social scene, in and out of the classroom.  I was intelligent, but I eventually pursued my own interests at the expense of the curriculum.  I studied Physics, but the Physics I was interested in, not always the Physics that Mr. ----- wanted to study.  Mr. ----- was an odd person too, possibly being on the Spectrum.  That is another story.  

I never had more than one of two close personal friends.  I never had a problem hiking alone, or in keeping my own company.  Naturally, I read Thoreau and Emerson.  What individualistic teenager or college student doesn't?  I enjoyed natural settings much more than I enjoyed social settings.  I still retain this preference today.

I read constantly.  I hiked constantly.  And, I would ramble on and on about my interests with whomever would listen.  I was known to be intelligent, even by my detractors.  I once high-jacked my way on to the bus leaving for a field trip with another science class.  I am almost being literal when I said, "high-jacked."  I went on three class field trips with this other teacher, never thinking it strange that I was high-jacking his class.  I was never short of an opinion during history or government classes.  Talking about CIA coups against democratically elected governments in Latin America during my government class was probably a little daring in the late eighties, when such things were barely acknowledged.  Yet, just a few years ago Colin Powell apologized to the people of Chile for our involvement in bringing Pinochet to power...

Why do I share all of this?  I share this because I never suffered a learning disability, and I was therefore never classified as Autistic under the old diagnosis criteria.  I did have some of the traits of Autism, and yet I was never "diagnosed."  Now, that was a good thing in that I did not need to be "cured," "fixed," or, horror of horrors, segregated in a Special Education class that would never have suited me.  High standards were expected of me, and I expected them of myself.  I was never made to feel inferior, nor was my "inappropriate behavior" monitored by a bunch of Behavioral Specialists with worst problems than I had.  

However, what about the cool Behavioral Specialists, the ones who care more about what is on the inside than in external behaviors? What about the counselors who do more than just go in to a classroom and yell at the students to do their work?  There is a "plus" side to the services provided those with Autism, or some kind of special need.  How positive a student's experiences are depends on the people providing the service.  And, to be frank, how well such services are rendered depends on the operative philosophies of those rendering them.  Do they expect great things from their students?  Do they expect them to triumph, in spite of their difficulties?  And, very importantly, do they assume "mental retardation" every time that a student comes to see them?  Their underlying assumptions make a difference as to whether their students get proper mainstreaming with assistance, as opposed to Apartheid education.  

I would have benefited from some kind of services.  These would not have been Special Education services.  However, I would have benefited from something.  I cannot really define what that would have been.  Perhaps the best term might be "self-knowledge."  I would have benefited from a certain inner peace.  Such assurances might have saved me a lot of travails that came in my adult life.  As it is, my years have been long, and less than satisfying.  They have become better now that I have self-knowledge, and an understanding of where I am, of who I am.  

My answer to the question raised above is as such; what is better depends on the degree of self-knowledge and wisdom you possess.  If you want a "diagnosis" in order to fix yourself, to become either like a Neurto-typical, or like other Autistics in some sort of social circle, you will not be happy.  Your disabilities will be amplified.  You will be a "boy by the window."  However, if you refuse to internalize the perceptions of you given by society, you will actually be happier.  The paradox is that you *DO* need some of the labels of society.  I once rejected these, to my detriment, being a bit *too* individualistic in that respect.  Yet, you must use these labels for self-knowledge, whereas society will often use them to box you in.  There is a thin line here, one which you must tread very carefully.

And, this thin line gets me to the real point of telling you about my adolescence.  It was better that I did not know that I was Autistic in one sense.  I had more freedom of latitude in a time that was not accepting.  The late eighties were not accepting of neurological differences.  Yet, at the same time, if someone had explained to me what the Spectrum was, from the perspective that most people here understand it decades later, I would have listened.  Self-knowledge would have modified some of the self-destructive behaviors that did not serve me well.  It would have meant that I could walk the thin line between proper self-understanding, using labels that are diagnostic in origin, while avoiding living a diagnostic existence, in which one is defined by the opinions of experts.  

I think that I could have done this then.  It is too late to do so now as a teenager.  I have to start later in life.  However, some of you who are teenagers can get started.  Perhaps you never thought of it this way before.  Find what works for you.  My experience is my own.  You will find your way.  I think that you can do it.  Many blessings to you.  I hope that I have answered the question posed.

All the best.

Long post is long.

Well, for me personally, peer pressure has absolutely zero effect on me and I have no social drive to speak of.

I can't really identify with the whole 'wanting to fit in' thing.  I see people laughing and having fun somewhere and think either 'looks like their having fun, good for them' and continue with what I'm doing or 'I think I'll try to join in over there.'  Or possible 'those people are jerks' if I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let me join.  Also, I have far to little interest in what other people think to want to change how I act just to fit in.
ATM WROTE :"I never had more than one of two close personal friends.  I never had a problem hiking alone, or in keeping my own company.  Naturally, I read Thoreau and Emerson.  What individualistic teenager or college student doesn't?  I enjoyed natural settings much more than I enjoyed social settings.  I still retain this preference today.

I read constantly.  I hiked constantly.  And, I would ramble on and on about my interests with whomever would listen.  I was known to be intelligent, even by my detractors. ... .... ....."
**and what ATm wrote is exactly like me.**
I  am a non-aspie, but was also not a typical teen.  I was very aware that the typical teens were strange, not me though - I was an individual. I think that the difference between an NT teen and an aspie teen is peer pressure and the lack of it in an aspie. Not that some aspie teens don't feel left out , but not enought to want to change what they are doing to fit in...

You as an aspie, I would imagine, don't really care what others think of you in regards to your special interests - like pokemon or politics or history or string theory or star wars whatever... whereas other non-aspie teens may like all those things but would be too embarrassed to let anyone know or they would even stop doing what they want to just to do some boring "hanging out at the corner" or they might not get good grades, even if they could, or they would not particpate in class (except for the "nerds") even if they really like the subject because they don't want to be thought of as smart. (how strange is that?!)
I think being not a typical teen - or an aspie (or like me just not typical) is way better -as you follow your path not the mainstream and all the peer pressure.
I think being a teen is difficult regardless of neurotype. Partly due to the hormone floods, the trials of transitioning out of childhood and the tug-of-war between needing independance and rules.  I read that the teenage brain is different physically or chemically from an adult brain which leads to different decisions and higher risk taking. There is also usually a lot of social angst.

  I would never want to be a teen again.  I just want my teen body back.  K thnx.
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