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I believe that if they find a cure & want to make it mandatory, they should first do a check to see if that person is going for Aspergers or Autism skilled jobs like computer programming, graphic desing, tech, anything in math, making TV shows like....Pokémon, ect..


How many times do we have to have the NOT ALL ASPIES ARE MATHS NERDS debate before people start to accept it?

My job is about 50/50 between dealing with people and using computers.  Does that mean I should be half cured?

pikajedi4 Wrote:
this strikes me as unfair.
if the critera for "curing" is decided exclusively on special interests, then I am sorry, but that is just stupid

and the "cure" would occur before such interests and abilities were made manifest, rendering the whole exercise....pointless!


I agree wholeheartedly on this.  I can see that Jay9 is insecure with his AS status, and therefore enjoys jamming pro-cure propaganda down the throats of other ASers with his rather dubious technique.  His words are a pox on this forum, a malignant cancer that threatens us all.

Ethel Wrote:
My job is about 50/50 between dealing with people and using computers.  Does that mean I should be half cured?


Do you perform complex Math on those computers...?

If not, you should be 100% cured.

COOEEEEE!!!

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If it becomes possible (perhaps with nano-bots?) to conduct microscopic brain surgery to turn an autistic mind into a neurotypical one, it will also be able to turn a GBLT mind into a straight one; a tomboy into a little miss; a sissy into a jock; a non-conformist into a conformist; an independent thinker into a submissive slave.

Is this the kind of society anyone actually wants?


Would everyone please read this and think about it?

Ta.

(***fixed up the quotes - Zakkie***)

GnosisRoads is pro-cure.  As such, I will not be interacting with him on this forum, and hopefully others on here will follow my lead.

EvilZakkie Wrote:
It's true, but a much more effective way to help us understand how the brain works is to research how the brain works.


Indeed... after all, where is the research that tries to understand how the brain of the hypergifted can do what it does... where's the "dissection" of the 15 year old who enters MIT and gets a master's by 21... is there anyone trying to unravel this mystery?

No, there isn't.  And I feel there's a bit of "elitist supremacy" going on behind the scenes, here.  It's like the researchers--who have superior, hypergifted brains themselves--don't want to find out the secrets behind their own neurology.  Elitism likes where it is, and it's not interested in sharing.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:
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GnosisRoads Wrote:
A cure might be possible, though it would probably be necessary to change the physical structure of the brain. We're a long way from that. Research into finding a cure may help us understand the how the brain works, how NTs and Autistics differ and why, perhaps even how we could combine the benefits of autism and NTness.


It's true, but a much more effective way to help us understand how the brain works is to research how the brain works.

The ethical issue with removing "autism" via this kind of surgery is that it's core personality that is being altered. If it were merely skill levels, it wouldn't be ab issue, and research into "combining the benefits of autism and NTness" would not be such a disturbing concept.

Besides which, it's quite easy to combine the benefits of autism and neurotypicalism: Find one autistic person and one neurotypical person, then ask them to work together.


I like your last paragraph, EZ!

I have been following this with a great deal of interest.

If it becomes possible (perhaps with nano-bots?) to conduct microscopic brain surgery to turn an autistic mind into a neurotypical one, it will also be able to turn a GBLT mind into a straight one; a tomboy into a little miss; a sissy into a jock; a non-conformist into a conformist; an independent thinker into a submissive slave.

Is this the kind of society anyone actually wants?


It's not the kind of society I want.  If you thought the world was too bureaucratic for your tastes right now, imagine what would happen if this became the new reality.

Terry Gilliam's "Brazil", anyone?

GnosisRoads Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
I have known people with brain injuries whose personalities were changed completely - they effectively became new people who just looked like the old one. Of course, if the 'cure' happened to a tiny child, it would be impossible to know what their personalities would have been without surgery/injury.


What kind of brain injuries did they sustain?


Hopefully the kind that you receive, somewhere in the future.  You'll come back to this thread and say "those are not my beliefs, and never were..."

I don't think they teach ethics these days, Tig.  Just economics.

(Yes, this IS on topic.  Think about it.)
You cannot deny it, many of us want what the NTs have, and if being them would make us have it, we would be them

http://iamnotbitterbut.blogspot.com/2007...ammit.html
What do you not want that NTs have?  Not the relationship?
I printed this out to read it carefully.

Rogue: X-Men III, felt the need to get cured of her mutant gift, because she was unable to touch anyone without killing them.  OK, loud and clear, some of her friends had a problem with that. Some of her friends didn't have her problems.

If you can be persuaded to think of Asperger as a wall, or if it really is, or even just a prison they put us in without realizing it, OK, now you understand Rogue a little better.

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By that reasoning, we should abort every baby who doesn't have a trust fund, and a pony.


Well, that's where it ends, isn't it?  First get society used to aborting all the fetuses which test positive for things like Downs syndrome, after all it's "for their own good" so they won't be "a drain on resources".  

Then the autistics, for the same reasons.

Then hose with ADD, learning disabilities, dyslexia, epilepsy.  Then the schizophrenics, the depressed and the bipolar.  The diabetics.  The racial minorities.   The poor.

I'd like to weigh in on this argument, but really, gitchel has said everything I would have said, already.  If you want my views on the matter, just read his contributions in this thread.

ericc Wrote:
No offense to anyone but I have to agree about a cure. The only kind of cure that I would think I would take is some kind of medication that helps me think better about social awareness. Then BOOM!, no more problems with Asperger's.

I remember before I used to beleive that Asperger's was a gift and that we can all communicate together without any kind of arguement..................every perfect, etc. Later I found out that we don't all think alike, we just have this illness. But then again we are all people. Aspie or NT. If we enjoyed simular interests then you got a friend.

I still have a good friend in my life who's Aspie. But even if she wasn't and we still meet eachother, I would think that we would still be as good friends as we are now.


I love humor so I laugh at everything. But it took me quite awhille to learn how to laugh at myself and my AS problems.

Today I walked into Blockbuster and seen the film "Mozart and The Whale" placed in the humor section. First I was alittle offended then I said to myself "I deserve it, my problems end up being silly anyways".

So laugh at life friends and laugh at yourselfs.

Anyway, I'm sorry that I'm going off subject but anyway. If there was a cure, I would like to know how it would be done before taking it.

If it's drugs or medication, then yes.

Brain or any other kind of sugery, FORGET IT! Besides, I don't like pain of any kind. Sad LOL


The only medication I would take, which kinda addresses something I have related to Asperger's, is something that would improve my executive functions.  From observations on AFF, and people in real life who I'm pretty sure have AS, my executive functions are actually below the average for most AS people.  And that says a lot.

But as far as a medication that would target autism itself, no--I would not take it.  I resent, ericc, that you call Asperger's an "illness."

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