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Experts: Giving kids chickenpox on purpose unwise

Sun Mar 27, 9:40 AM ET

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By Vincent J. Schodolski Tribune national correspondent

When Carrie Myers Smith found out her brother's five children had chickenpox she quickly gathered her four kids and rushed over to her sibling's house to expose them to the disease.

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She is not alone.

While the intentional exposure of children to chickenpox is the exception rather than the rule, it does happen, according to the National Partnership for Immunization, a group that promotes safe use of vaccines. Some publications have even offered advice on how to organize "chickenpox parties."

Parents are taking this route even though a chickenpox vaccine has been available in the United States since 1995, and most experts advise against intentional exposure.

"The idea that the disease is better than the vaccine is wrong," said Dr. Christopher Rizzo, a pediatrician in Cleveland. "It [chickenpox] can kill you."

It is not known how many parents decide to expose their children, but experts say the number of people being vaccinated by the age of 2 has risen steadily and the number of people dying of or being hospitalized with severe cases of chickenpox has declined sharply.

"By the age of 2 about 85 percent of children are vaccinated," Rizzo said.

According to the National Partnership for Immunization there were 65 deaths from chickenpox in the U.S. between 1999 and 2001, the most recent period for which statistics are available. Between 1990 and 1994, a period before the vaccine was available, there were 145 deaths.

CDC statistics

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites), varicella, the clinical term for chickenpox, infects virtually every person in the U.S. by adulthood. After a single dose of the vaccine, 97 percent of infants and children between ages 1 and 12 develop sufficient antibodies making them immune to the disease, the CDC reports.

There appear to be many reasons that parents expose their young children to a potentially lethal disease. For Myers Smith, who lives in Landaff, N.H., it was a concern that the vaccine might not provide lifelong immunity.

"What I did was just get them together to play, had them drink from the same glass--stuff like that," she said in an e-mail exchange about the exposure steps she took.

Mothering magazine last year offered "Tips for a Chickenpox Party."

"The varicella virus is communicated easily through saliva. Pass a whistle from the infected child to other children at the party," the magazine suggested. It also told parents to make a record of the event because many schools require proof of immunity to chickenpox before admitting a child.

Myers Smith exposed her family in 2001, and all four of her children contracted the disease. They were ages 8, 7, 5 and 3 at the time.

Mother explains exposing kids

"They all got a really good case of it and were pretty sick," she said. "I did it because at the time they didn't know if the vaccine lasted throughout adulthood. ... I felt I would rather have them get a good case of them and be immunized."



At the time, Myers Smith said, her pediatrician agreed with her decision to expose the children.

There were lasting effects.

"One of my sons ended up with a big pit/scar back [on the] inside of each cheek," she said. "He would go through cycles where the pits would flare up and become very uncomfortable--sort of like big canker sores. He couldn't eat when they were inflamed." That happened every six to eight weeks.

Eventually the wounds were stitched shut, and the problem went away.

David Neumann, executive director of the National Partnership for Immunization, sides with most experts in advising parents against intentional exposure.

`Children at risk'

"They are placing their children at risk," he said.

"Before the vaccine was available, there were about 100 deaths a year and about 1,000 hospitalizations," he said.

Some concern about vaccines in general arose in recent years as there was a sharp increase in the diagnosed cases of autism in the U.S. But no definitive link between any vaccine, including the one for chickenpox, and autism has been found.

Prompted by concern over the rise in autism, however, the Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) advised in 1999 that a preservative called thimerosal be removed from all vaccines given to children. Thimerosal, which contains mercury, is no longer present in children's vaccines.

Four years later Myers Smith has a different view of the vaccine.

"I think that if I had it to do over again and based on what they know now about the vaccine that I would have them immunized," she said.

Vaccines for chicken pox are not given in the UK, so kids usually pick them up naturally in school, a park, or wherever.
As far as I knew people preferred for kids to get them young, as catching chickenpox when an adult is supposed to be much worse.

Amy Wrote:
Vaccines for chicken pox are not given in the UK, so kids usually pick them up naturally in school, a park, or wherever.
As far as I knew people preferred for kids to get them young, as catching chickenpox when an adult is supposed to be much worse.


Chicken Pox in Adults is usually more severe in its virulence and could set the stage for Shingles.  A major inflamatory skin disease, and I can vouch that in older people, shingles is excrutiatingly painful and may recur.

Amber picked up chicken pox naturally and fortunately only had a mild case.  I had some mothers get mad at me, because I pulled Amber out of school until she felt better. (kindergarten)  They thought I should have had a "chicken pox party". :-(  I've heard the same thing about the vaccine not being permanent.  But, now you can't get your kid into a camp or even the university without proof of either chicken pox disease or the immunization record!

Peace

As I said, that vaccine isnt given in the UK, but one thing that might be given soon is smallpox vaccine!
The government has been worried of terrorists getting hold of some of the virus and using it as bio-terrorism.

Amy Wrote:
As I said, that vaccine isnt given in the UK, but one thing that might be given soon is smallpox vaccine!
The government has been worried of terrorists getting hold of some of the virus and using it as bio-terrorism.


Out of my own curiosity, what are the immunization rules in the UK??  Other than chickenpox!!! Here in the states they are quite extensive!!
I''ll post the list tomorrow.  Amber is beginning to feel like a pincushion!!

Peace

This chicken pox vaccine is, in my opinion, just one more way of making money for the manufacturers of vaccines. I have NEVER personally heard of any child dying of chickenpox in my life. And as was mentioned, the chicken pox vaccine doesn't last into adulthood. But the big concern is for adults getting the disease (especially in pregnant women, of course)!

My own kids were exposed to it a ton of times when kids, but never got it, because their immune systems are very strong. So, when Susie picked up the chicken pox at the age of nine at ballet, she had a very mild case. Unfortunately, Karen, who was 18, got it next and was extremely ill for two weeks, being covered in spots from head to toe (and in all the unmentionable places as well). She passed out while going to the bathroom, and had to have someone help her to the bathroom for more than a week.

Next John and Janet (then 17 and 15) got it, and they were almost as sick as Karen.

Sarah had just given birth to Emily, my oldest granddaughter, and so we couldn't go and visit until a month later to see her, because Sarah never had the chickenpox either!

But then Emily caught it in her church nursery when six months old (which is very young for getting the chicken pox, but since Sarah didn't have it, she wasn't protected through breast milk). Emily was very sick with it. Of course, Sarah got it next, at 20 years of age. We all expected her to have a very bad time with it, so her mother-in-law went to look after her as soon as the first spot appeared. But surprisingly, she had a mild case!

I say that it is best if kids get the chicken pox between two and ten years of age, because it is usually fairly mild then. It can be deadly in adults. I have heard of a case of a young woman in her early twenties who got spots on the INSIDE of her lungs and nearly died. I bet that the cases cited by the manufacturer of people dying of chickenpox are adults, not children. They are known to give inaccurate and misleading information to sell their vaccines.

In my opinion the vaccine is a lot more dangerous than the illness itself, and I wouldn't give it to any child.

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"The idea that the disease is better than the vaccine is wrong," said Dr. Christopher Rizzo, a pediatrician in Cleveland. "It [chickenpox] can kill you."


And why listen to the pediatrician? Vaccinations are their bread and butter. If people would stop having their kids vaccinated a lot of pediatricians would lose their jobs, because they wouldn't make enough money without vaccinations. Besides the fact that they believe the manufacturers propaganda, which has been taught to them in medical school as well. Doctors get very poorly taught these days, and are brainwashed into believing a lot of nonsense. They don't know the first thing on nutrition and vitamins, send people to have back surgery for problems a chiropractor can fix in a jiffy and prescribe antibiotics for colds and flu. I have no use for doctors for the most part, I don't trust them for various reasons.

Ozy -

Age Due ------ Immunisation
0-3 months ---- BCG (only if your baby needs it)
2 months ----- Ist Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB, Meningitis C
3 months ----- 2nd Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB, Meningitis C
4 months ---- 3rd Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB, Meningitis C
12 months ---     MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella)
4 years ----- Diphtheria, Tetanus & Polio Booster + MMR
13 years ----- BCG - if not given one as a baby
15 years ----- Adult Diphtheria, Tetanus & Polio Booster

Also unlike the USA, children and adults are not given the flu vaccine unless a medical condition requires it, such as asthma.
The kids here are given the Chicken Pox vaccine at 12 months around the same time as the MMR is given as well. Both my sons have been vaccinated for the chicken pox. I myself wasn't and didn't catch them till I was 24 and it was no fun.

Amy Wrote:
Ozy -

Age Due ------ Immunisation
0-3 months ---- BCG (only if your baby needs it)
2 months ----- Ist Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB, Meningitis C
3 months ----- 2nd Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB, Meningitis C
4 months ---- 3rd Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB, Meningitis C
12 months ---     MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella)
4 years ----- Diphtheria, Tetanus & Polio Booster + MMR
13 years ----- BCG - if not given one as a baby
15 years ----- Adult Diphtheria, Tetanus & Polio Booster

Also unlike the USA, children and adults are not given the flu vaccine unless a medical condition requires it, such as asthma.


Thanks Amy!!  Except for the chicken pox vaccine(mandatory here), the UK and US are quite similar.

Peace

I don't think the chicken pox vaccine is mandatory here but it is covered by the provincial health insurance here in Nova Scotia.
I have asthma and do usually have the flu jab too. I really appreciate it, it has saved a lot of suffering for me that I used to get before having it.
"Oh well wait till your 60 or so then you'll get it."

I don't understand what that means.
Yes, I already receive it too because of my asthma, I wasn't sure if you were talking to me or not.
Uschi said "You know guys, with the flu-shot they are just guessing every year on which strain of flu will be around. And most of the time they are dead wrong. The flu shot is proven to be up to 95% ineffective (but very effective in lining the pockets of the manufacturers with money). Any year you didn't get the flu, you likely wouldn't have had it anyway, the flu shot had nothing to do with it."

Sorry Uschi, you are totally wrong! I got flu at least once a year, sometimes two or three times a year, all my life, and I would get extremely bad chest infections, my asthma would be chronic, and I would have to take steroids and antibiotics often. It was awful.
Since the first year of having the flu jab, for the next 8 years I only got one mild case of flu. A very dramatic difference indeed.
I read a report from somebody who has a father in a nursing home. People in nursing homes need to have the doctor's permission to take vitamins (which is ridiculous), and are required to have the flu shot.

There is a reason for those points. Some vitamins can interfere with vital medication, so a doctor would need to know what each patient was taking. As for the flu shot, I doubt that they would want a bad flu bug making many patients ill each year, it is called preventative medicine.

So, this lady got her dad's doctor's permission for him to take vitamins instead of getting the flu shot. In the spring every single person in the home got the flu, with the only exception of this man! And this is not such an unusual story.


I don't understand that bit, was it a lady or a man?

So, Amy, while maybe you got lucky that somehow you got the right strain all these years to actually prevent you from getting the flu, you might want to contemplate the long-range damage you do to your body by taking these flu shots every year. You might want to try strengthening your immune system to ward off the flu, rather than playing Russian roulette by putting something into your body every year that has never been proven to be safe (no long-range studies on the safety of vaccines have ever been done).

The damage that was being done by the steroids which I would have to take was far more dangerous and evident.
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