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Another thread about revealing your autism at work made me think of something I'd like to talk about.  The members of my family who believe my diagnosis (but only after much explanation about me, as well as how autism doesn't have one general "look") are now pressuring me to "take what you can from the diagnosis, learn from it, make changes, and better yourself".  They caution me not to allow my autism to be a crutch.  Well, what if I want it to be one?  Is that so bad?  Why must we "defeat" what makes us different and fit in??

Elventaoist Wrote:
Personally, I don't view accepting and taking pride in you who are - autism included - as the same as using it as a crutch.  It could be a fine line in some cases, though.

I think it's good to seize every possible opportunity in life, regardless of...neurotype?  A word?  Probably.  If I need or want to do something, I do the best I can to achieve it, even if I have a harder time than someone without AS might.  If I threw my hands up right away and said, "I can't do that, because I'm an Aspie"  I wouldn't be very pleased with myself.

At the same time, I know realistically that I do have certain limitations, so I refuse to beat myself up or say "If only I was a NT" or some such nonsense if something really isn't a good fit for me.

I think it only becomes a crutch when you stop trying.  I don't mean trying to be someone you're not, or trying to smother your autism to "fit in", but trying to get to where YOU want to in life.  As long as you're still pursuing your goals, you can hardly be accused of using autism as an excuse. Smile

I see.  I guess what I hear people telling me is "don't let autism limit you".  But it does, and I'm okay with that.  Maybe that's just where I am right now... I have spent most of my short life trying to fit in, and now feel that I have a license to breathe easy, so to speak.  What I mean is, I feel that my autism has helped my exclude what I don't want in my life--like social rules (for example, asking people how they are when in fact you don't want to know), expected accomplishments (kids, a house, etc.).  I am rambling...my point is, I feel that I am expected to grab life and live it to the fullest, when really I'm content with living a quiet life, working at the job I like, watching Seinfeld or Stargate with my husband, reading, that kind of stuff.

Elventaoist Wrote:
It does have its limits, and being okay with that is a good thing.  Some people really don't understand it.  The way some of my family talk about it, you'd think it was like bad cholesterol or something, and you'll be just fine if you do this and that....oh well.  I guess if it's not their life, it takes more time for them to grasp what it's like.

I know what you mean, though.  I didn't have the benefit of a diagnosis for most of my life either.  When I finally found out WHY I'd been struggling so much, it was a relief for me too!  I didn't have to feel like a failure or a freak anymore, and it was easier to accept my limitations.  My self-esteem has been so much better since I learned I was an Aspie! Smile

And being on the other side of a diagnosis, you get a clear view of just how foolish social expectations, or the idea that we've all got to do A, B, and C with our lives to make it worthwhile, can really be at times!  Tongue

I prefer a quieter life myself....I'd rather read, write, and work on my art than do anything else.  As long as WE feel we're living life to the fullest, that's what really matters.  Smile


That's so true--I guess the problem is that others cannot except our version of living.  Or so that's been my experience with the NT's in my life.  One person invites me out a lot, and I often say no because my "social quota" for the day has been filled, and then she grumbles and guilts me about it.
My self esteem went up too with my diagnosis; I also noticed my depression lifting a great deal.

Elventaoist Wrote:
And being on the other side of a diagnosis, you get a clear view of just how foolish social expectations, or the idea that we've all got to do A, B, and C with our lives to make it worthwhile, can really be at times!  Tongue

I prefer a quieter life myself....I'd rather read, write, and work on my art than do anything else.  As long as WE feel we're living life to the fullest, that's what really matters.  Smile


I totally agree with what you see here... though I think some of the other stuff you said may have been a bit "over-assuming" of aprilbaker's experience.  (Not as a criticism, though!)  Just trying to give my opinion while remaining neutral, if I can.

Everyone I've encountered with AS online, and the few I've observed in real life, has different levels of different deficits.  One without severe executive dysfunction, for example, can't really suggest that someone with the deficit isn't trying... but such is often the case, because I notice a great tendency among Aspies to assume THEIR version of Asperger's is much the same as another's (same struggles, same academic giftedness, etc.)

I suppose too much avoidance of difficult things is a problem, but then again don't forget how hard it is for some Aspies to maintain self-esteem and confidence, with all the misunderstandings and social exclusion they face.

Batman55 Wrote:
I totally agree with what you say here... though I think some of the other stuff you said may have been a bit "over-assuming" of aprilbaker's experience.  (Not as a criticism, though!)  Just trying to give my opinion while remaining neutral, if I can.


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I'm basically giving up nowadays, not because of "autism", but because I always seem to fail accomplishing simple expectations in relation to school, along with that my special interests are way more difficult to engage in.

My life seem to have been spinning in evil circles for too long now, I just wont take it anymore. So I basically just block out thoughts about what I'm supposed to do to be free of this apparently endless torment for a small break.

It kind of seems like self-destructivity, but it is really more of the opposite.
My experience is somewhat like Elventaosist. I didn't find out until much later, and throughout my life I was treated as a child who was a huge brat who wouldn't behave.

Now though, I have read many books on AS and Autism and have actually carefully inspected myself for the limitations I have and try to greatly improve them.

I also have a golden rule for myself, and that is to never use AS as an excuse or to get out of something. I refuse to say I am disabled, and I expect to be treated like everybody else, regardless of circumstances. If I were to say, get in a fight and hit the other person over a comment, the words, "well because I am Aut.. it leads to..." will never come out of my mouth. I'm very harsh on this, especially to the amazement of my parents.

I just don't like it if people go, "Well I just don't want to go the party because I'm AS and there's people there to talk to and it bothers me. I just can't do it." or "I'm sorry I assaulted him officer, if it weren't for autism and over reacting sometimes, I wouldn't of done it." Doing so makes you rely on it for everything.

Those are just my views, but I am brutally harsh on myself to not use it as any form of excuse no matter what.
Also, I'd like to add that I feel, and what this site represents, is that we are a neurodiverse movement etc. and so to achieve this we should want to be treated like anybody else, since that is what this site is all about. Using Autism as a crutch seems like opposition to this site's views and what we here strive for, since it is about showing others we are just like them and in some ways better. We are all human, after all.
Well. Okay -- my two cents worth (which may just be worth that... two cents)

People need to distinguish between what is "bettering yourself" and what is simply "fitting in" for the sake of it.

The former, I will go for -- always strive to be a better person and honour your own principles.

The latter, anyone who tells me to do things just to fit in can get stuffed. Rather blunt, I know. But true.

nyanchan Wrote:
Well. Okay -- my two cents worth (which may just be worth that... two cents)

People need to distinguish between what is "bettering yourself" and what is simply "fitting in" for the sake of it.

The former, I will go for -- always strive to be a better person and honour your own principles.

The latter, anyone who tells me to do things just to fit in can get stuffed. Rather blunt, I know. But true.


My problem is, I don't always know how to distinguish between the two!

aprilbaker Wrote:

nyanchan Wrote:
Well. Okay -- my two cents worth (which may just be worth that... two cents)

People need to distinguish between what is "bettering yourself" and what is simply "fitting in" for the sake of it.

The former, I will go for -- always strive to be a better person and honour your own principles.

The latter, anyone who tells me to do things just to fit in can get stuffed. Rather blunt, I know. But true.


My problem is, I don't always know how to distinguish between the two!


The simplest way to think of it is this - If you're improving your ability to do things you want to do, that's bettering yourself.

If you're focusing on things that you aren't interested in, but other people want you to do - that's fitting in.

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EvilZakkie
The simplest way to think of it is this - If you're improving your ability to do things you want to do, that's bettering yourself.

If you're focusing on things that you aren't interested in, but other people want you to do - that's fitting in.


Ahhhh.  That makes sense!  Thanks for the advice.  
I suspect I've been doing a bit of both--I'm certainly feeling the pressure of others wanting me to do things that I don't want to do or that I'm uncomfortable doing.  They always frame it in the context of trying to "help" me...

EvilZakkie Wrote:
The simplest way to think of it is this - If you're improving your ability to do things you want to do, that's bettering yourself.

If you're focusing on things that you aren't interested in, but other people want you to do - that's fitting in.


Yeah, I think that's the best way to put it.  As far as using it as a crutch, I wouldn't tell anyone I'm not going to a social gathering because of my AS.  I only found out about AS at age 25 (now 26), and my whole life has a history of not bothering with a lot of this heavy "social stuff," because quite simply I do not feel I belong and it's really not in my nature.  If that wasn't a crutch before I discovered AS (and I don't think it is), I don't see why it would be now.

kylo4 Wrote:
we should want to be treated like anybody else


I'm curious about how that is reconciled with seeking special accomodations in school or the workplace

EvilZakkie Wrote:
The simplest way to think of it is this - If you're improving your ability to do things you want to do, that's bettering yourself.

If you're focusing on things that you aren't interested in, but other people want you to do - that's fitting in.


Very well put! Big Grin

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