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It is a shame that so many young adults have been taught by doting parents that the world will rearrange itself to suit their needs and desires. Have you any hope of getting a TA?  That would be a big help since you could specify that student must first see the TA, and if they appear at your office before doing so they will be treated rudely. Even if this is not an option, let them know in advance that you will probably treat them rudely if they show at your office without an appointment. Be very clear that you do not have time to entertain the hundreds of students who feel they want to drop in unannounced and it is very rude for them to expect you to stop whatever you are doing simply because it is convenient for them to pop in. Tell them there are no exceptions. Be very, very clear on the first day of class. You might also explain the 101 things that can be communicated via email and telephone rather than office visit. Is there any student on campus who doesn't have a cellphone? Puh-lease.  My memories from college are that a large portion of the "drop ins" are more interested in the schmooze than self-improvement.

And what energeia said sounds like good advice also. Smile
Hi Mom of Hrick, good to read you again.

You know, Just like this, I've remembered something that some of the profs did -- rather than having appointments, they kept open office hours a couple of times each week.  This might work since then you would expect interruptions and be mentally prepared for them.  Just a thought.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

the fee scale has nothing to do with the individual tutor, and doesn't buy the student a right to ignore requests for appointments.


Yes that part jumped out at me too. Nor does paying a lot of money for tuition entitle a student to be handed excellent grade scores... though it is surprising how many students and parents seem to think so.  I was also surprised to learn that student fees are a fraction, not the majority, of income for a University.

I should have specified in the above post that the income balance described would be typical for the US.  No time right now to look up specifics but I recall that when  Einstein first applied for a teaching position (in Germany?), there was no salary paid for the position.  Teachers depended on money from students.  Incredibly, the school turned him down.

I do understand that profs get pressured about negative press from students.

silky Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
the fee scale has nothing to do with the individual tutor, and doesn't buy the student a right to ignore requests for appointments.

Yes that part jumped out at me too. Nor does paying a lot of money for tuition entitle a student to be handed excellent grade scores... though it is surprising how many students and parents seem to think so.  I was also surprised to learn that student fees are a fraction, not the majority, of income for a University.

I felt exactly the same way when reading the post.

energeia Wrote:
The "My parents paid beaucoup bucks to send me here so I deserve more than a C."
Hahahahahahahaahahahaahahahahaahhaahahhahhahahaha!!!!!!!!!

I taught logic.
This falls under the fallacy of irrelevant reason.

I have a good friend who teaches as a fairly prestigeous small liberal arts college and he regales me with stories of student expectations.  It's kind of sad, actually.  Apparently (according to him), students want to know EXACTLY what the standards and expectations are.  He befuddles them when he tells them that in order to get an A, he (the teacher) has to LEARN something from the student!  And the idea that actions have consequences is foreign to many.  BUT, many of the students are depressed.  And, he says, many come back after graduation and complain that the college didn't prepare them for real life.

My bolding of text.
Education at no matter what stage is a preparation for life & work with all of the rules, regulations & hierarchies which exist therein.

Most employers would not look kindly upon an employee who just walks into their office & expects the employer to drop whatever they are doing, unless it was an urgent situation. Everywhere I have worked an appointment was essential.

Just like this Wrote:
Passing is important when it comes to the other side of my job, where I am not dealing with colleages, but adult students.  Last week, I made a class of fifty students I had never met before laugh out loud (in a good way, I assure you).  My sense of humour may be odd, but it is at least occassionally compatible with the rest of the world.  It is a very useful icebreaker, and I often see comments left by students at websites where professors are rated and commented upon, like, "I didn't know _(subject I teach)_ could be so much fun!  Take this class!"  


So as a teacher you are viewed highly by the students.

Just like this Wrote:
When students see me one-on-one, it's a different matter, especially when they show up unannounced.  I get utterly flustered when someone just drops in to my office.  There is a huge sign on my door that states that absolutely no student will be seen without an appointment, but it is ignored so often, it might as well not be there. So when students ignore it, I tell them, "you need to make an appointment.  I'm busy and cannot see you now.  Sorry," in exactly those words, and they usually get the point.

If the sign is a obvious as this & you are polite in deferring them, then the students have absolutely no excuse for demanding that you speak with them now or to persist in their demands.

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He admitted to me that despite my excellent teaching record, I am largely regarded as unapproachable by students, not because of the sign on my door, as most profs have them, but because, and I quote, "you are a totally different person one on one than they expect to meet after they see you in lecture."  I make students uncomfortable when they discover I don't make eye contact with them (I "look through them"), never remember who they are, and appear insensitive to their personal problems, even though I am very helpful with solving those problems .  I am seen as a snob.

This bothers me at a personal level, because I do care what my reputation is. I want students to approach me (during my contact time) and I want to help them

I can't see that in any of this you have done anything wrong, although some might want you to think you have.

You can't be insensitive to the student's problems & at the same time be very helpful.

You state clearly that you do not wish to be disturbed when you are busy, but that you will see anyone who is prepared to make an appointment.

You do help those who ask for it & give them an appropriate time & means to do so.
When you do help them if they feel uncomfortable because you can't look at them that is their problem, how would they cope with a blind teacher?

Louise18 Wrote:
I think it is vitally important that the standards expected of students are explicit, and that the system is fair, with uniformly excellent standards of teaching, and where their tutors have a personal interest in helping them to do well. I think even in the UK where students have until 2 years ago enjoyed almost free tertiary education, students have a right to expect this much from the institution at least.  


I thought I should probably do some introductions, as many of the new people don't know Louise.

So, Louise, this is everyone. And everyone:

Louise18 Wrote:
Respecting something for what it is: monkeys are respected as monkeys and retards are respected as what they are, but I don't see why there is an issue with equating the two.

Louise18 Wrote:

Natalie Wrote:
...It's a ridiculous comparison that serves no purpose other than to demean both groups and say that one form of life is superior and deserves more respect than another.

Thats because it is. Non *** humans can do everything *** humand do and then some. On what basis are you making life equal?

Louise18 Wrote:
I believe human's are defined by their achievements. If they contribute something to MIT academically, they have my respect. If they contribute nothing that could not be equally contributed by another they have not.

Louise18 Wrote:
It is their fault. Your intelligence level is your fault. It is part of you, therefore it is your fault. Its not as fixable as other issues (like laziness), which makes people who have it to start with even more valuable. Yes it is related to the brain, but this is irrelevant.

Louise18 Wrote:
English law does not making hating people a crime. It does not make giving people your respect, time or energy (excluding your own children) an obligation. I do not abuse anyone. I just don't respect people I am better than. That is not a crime, or a civil wrong in english law.


THIS is Louise.

Please join me in making her as welcome to the forums as she has always been...

Wonder what happened to the OP
Louise's previous posts have nothing to do with her post in this thread.

Batman55 Wrote:

Louise18 Wrote:
What was aggressive about that post?


You.


Don't you read your posts (Louise18) or see what EvilZakkie quoted? Bruce makes sense.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

kylo4 Wrote:
Bruce makes sense.


*grins* It took me a while to work out who you were talking about. Very clever.


I'm not sure if he minds it or not but I have a habit of doing that to him. I still haven't traversed the "Mr. Wayne" waters yet though.

Batman55 Wrote:
I'm left wondering if this is a good nickname or not, I was thinking maybe I should change it at some point, but then older posts that quoted me would be confusing.

It's because of the pop-culture conglomerate attached to it...  it's almost like my posts can't be taken seriously for that reason.  I should have come up with something more original when I first joined the site.


We take you seriously, why wouldn't we? There's other user names out there that are a lot more obscure than yours. No need to get batty about it.

Every time I see EvilZakkie's name I think of that Wii game Zak and Wiki for some reason. I've never played it nor do I own a wii, but I picture the front of the box.

In the end, people don't base your ideals off of your username (unless its really ridiculous) but off of what you say and how you represent yourself.
Its supposed top be amazing EvilZakkie (that game). For my tastes though, the Wii relies too heavily on first party games from Nintendo and is marketed towards casual gamers and very social gatherings than the involved single player games released on other systems. It is also lacking many good games right now, and that's after being out for more than a year and a half.

What was this topic about again?

Batman55 Wrote:

Louise18 Wrote:
What was aggressive about that post?


You.


OOOOOOOOH, you got TOLD.

Just Like This, I am so glad that you posted! I was wondering if we had run you off somehow, and really wondered how this had resolved.  I am glad that it is not as big an issue as you thought it might be.
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