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Right this will be a very long post so I apologise.

I am only a baby Aspergian and trying to adapt a lot of the AS help and support into my day to day life. In the space of week, those close to me have said I've mellowed out a lot more because I don't get as frustrated with situations that I get emotional about. I accept now that my temper and emotion is a response to my own mental confusion over people's behaviour, and the acceptance of this has really calmed me down. My family told me for years to hide the traits that really showed me as an Aspie - being a geek, being socially awkward, speaking my mind, etc. I went through a really unhappy late teenage and early twenties period, getting involved with people I didn't even find attractive because I thought thats what I was meant to do. Generally I just wanted friends and the friends I did make were always out at clubs etc trying to cop off (make out for those on the other side of the pond Wink) with randoms. I never understood that; in the few situations when some girl tried to put her tongue down my throat, I used to just go along with it and not sit and think about whatever bugs she probably had, had she brushed her teeth, I can taste what she's been eating/drinking, I want to be sick... As a result, I've never really been into the popular lesbian culture - for a while I seemed accepted but then I realised I had a strong bullshit meter and alcohol loosens your clamped tongue.

I met my current partner under 4 years ago, was doing all my "I'm just like everyone else, I'm cool, I AM NOT DIFFERENT!!!" nonsense...lost her because I was a twat, wised up to myself and realised I wasn't happy being what I was, so removed myself from that enviroment and got to grips with myself. Met her again months later, she made it plain she still cared for me, I was trying to deal with myself, I backed out. Spent another couple of months sorting my head out, she went back home for summer (she originally comes from a rural part of Scotland and comes to the city for uni) and still tried to keep in contact with me. When she moved back out, met up again and I thought I had my head focussed, so we started seeing each other about a year after we first met. At first it was all ok because it was dating, then I fell in love with her and I had no idea what it was like to actually want someone around me all the time, but to be, as I always put it before, a bit of a sociopath.

There are a lot of things that my partner needs to deal with - she still hasn't told her parents she's gay and it creates tension because she's close to her parents. She says its because she's scared they'll disown her etc and before I realised that I was Aspie, I couldn't understand why fear would stop you being honest. I still don't understand it but I understand why I don't get it. There are things that my partner can definitely improve on - even if she was with a NT woman - but I'm hoping that now we both know why things she says and does distress and upset me so much, we can work on that. She has started making an effort with it, and I've started talking about things a lot more than I usually do; I think she's started to realise that she has to talk to me about her feelings i.e. fear in almost robotic terms. I think she understands why I can't just sit there and be a literal shoulder to cry on; I don't get why you would cry unless you want help. Her aunt died 2 days before Xmas and I didn't know what to do because I was offering her practical advice and nothing seemed to help, so I just left her alone. I'm starting to accept that when she's upset and wants to just cry its because she needs to; its nothing I can do or help with.

My point is that before we started to accept that I have Aspergers we had a lot of problems in our relationship that I externalised onto her and her alone. Since Xmastime we've been dealing with our relationship as a NT/AS one and its been working a lot better. Prior to this I just thought she was selfish, immature and dishonest - apparently she thought I was stubborn, awkward and possessive with an extremely bad temper and nasty, sharp tongue. Her mum came down to visit before Xmas; on the same day I got a letter from uni disqualifying me from an exam because I hadn't handed an assignment on time; I had to go into a 10 hour nightshift and all I was doing was sitting in a bedroom crying hysterically because I couldn't handle 'my space' being invaded, the physical change of our flat and then the problems of uni (my degree is in one of my special interests so I couldn't cope with failure). I didn't understand why I was being like this and when I cry, its because I need to fix something and I couldn't fix it, so it was making me more hysterical. Naturally every time my partner came in I was lashing out at her because she wasn't fixing any of the problems that she could fix. She walked out saying I was unreasonable and I told her she was selfish etc.

So I calmed down a bit and went into work to beg to be sent home to at least do my uni work, as I could fix that. They were very sympathetic and sent me home on an unpaid holiday. I said that I thought my partner and I were breaking up because things were coming to too much of a standstill etc. One woman who I speak to inside work, swapped phone numbers with and don't socialise with, started saying that my relationship was obviously dead in the water etc. Starts sending me texts saying that my partner is selfish etc and I'm better off without her etc etc. I mentioned a handful of issues between us, as in, the stuff I've glossed over here.

We're still at loggerheads at home and I go back to studying things about AS because I'd wondered before if I had it. It all starts beginning to slip into place but we can't do much about it because of timing. She goes home for Xmas/New Year and this woman at work is starting to go on about what a load of nonsense it is that my partner just takes and takes and takes and gives me nothing back. Starts saying I should tell my partner to come back at New Year or its over. Because I'm already really pissed off at my partner, I go with it. It seems to make sense; I don't think its fair. My partner gets upset, saying she can't change her plans at such short notice etc. I still behave like a bitch about the whole thing but internally I'm starting to chill out because I'm doing that much research on AS and realising thats what I've got. But my partner says she'll come down between Xmas/New Year - lets me down - sets my AS off - cue fights. In the end she does come down for a night and I start to chill out a bit. Start throwing myself into AS study to understand myself more at quite a crucial period time in my relationship (the Disability Dept at uni were sending me for AS tests as they were positive I had it but I was too busy having my head inserted up my backside) and started to chill out. This woman keeps sending me text messages saying its not good enough my partner didn't stay for New Year etc - I don't respond, my partner came down as she said she would, thats good enough for me. I stop texting this woman as much because I can't be bothered with her asking me about my relationship every text message.

On Fri night at work I get a text from her asking me how work is (its her night off). I reply that its fine, quiet after New Year, I'm just studying for my exams. She replies with "how are things with you? hows your flat mate?" (a dig at my partner). I say that I'm ok, I'm starting to do a lot of study into AS and I've got my tests coming up hopefully in the next month or so. Don't respond AT ALL to the comment about my partner.

This is the following exchange:

Her: "U aint telling me anything about home n her. Avoiding it? Ok. In ur time. Whenever you wanna talk I'm here."

Me: "Ach I just cbf. She's upset by the aspergers thing and says she wants to change to support me with it. I will give her credit for that; she has been informing herself and says she can't keep doing what she does. So just taking it v slow. I'm more concerned with diagnosis and healing myself."

Her: "She shouldn't change coz of that. She cant change. She is who n wot she is n ur diagnosis cant change that. Uv had it all ur life. Its ur personality n she shouldve accepted it all b4 getin a bit of paper sayin it. Ur diagonsis wont make her any less selfish - n if she does start puttin u 1st why now n never b4?? Pity? Regret? Guilt?"

Me: "Right I really can't be bothered with this. I appreciate totally that you're supporting me but like I said, all I'm worried about right now is my diagnosis."

Her: "Fair enuf. Thats me securely put in my place. Truth hurts. Goodnite."

(Now I have to say, the only one thats allowed to intimately criticise my girlfriend - Linsey - is me. Especially if that criticism is levelled at her from someone that saw me upset one day and going through an extremely difficult time in my own head, and even more especially if I've seen my girlfriend trying to work at things. I've never asked this woman for romantic advice; only responded to questions asking me what was wrong.)

Me: "Excuse me but with all due respect you haven't met Linsey. I'm not defending her; I'm saying that I care about MY future. 'Truth hurts'? Out of order."

Then as an afterthought: "Look up Aspergers on a website and really ask yourself why I'm giving more concern to myself, NOT my love life. There are more important things to me than that. Not offended by apparent 'truth'. I AM offended by a blinkered determination to push me into confronting an issue that I have little time for right now. I told you I have Aspergers out of trust. Not to be insulted because I say I have more important things on my mind than a woman."

Her: "Guess curtness is a symptom as well! Uv had it all ur life n known about it pretty long - a bita paper wont change that or u. Its a condition that can only b altered by behaviour. It doesnt change u. U r u. People accept u 4it or dont. They cant change 2suit it coz its cn as the rite thing 2do. Iv tried 2change 2suit others n it just ends in misery. Iv been a friend til now, but rite now ur 2up and down 4me 2help. n u dont want that rite now. Uv lived with it up til now- yeah u need support 2adapt, but other than that uv got ur health n a strong future. I got it wrong. Well just stay outa each others way then we dont clash n make u feel any worse."

Me: "Yes. And I told you I appreciate that but my relationship problems are't a priority right now. Its that simple."

Her: "I aint tryin 2insult u or ur condition - only trying 2offer insite from sum1 thats bn in a selfish relationship. Uv said it bout her 4a while b4 all this happened. Advice u dont want. Fine. Mental n behaviour advice ull get Im sure maybe itll help. Its clearly wot u need to 2help. Uv known about it 4awhile so diagnosis wont change anything. I don't no u well enuf 2help in any way so ill stay outa it. U have a condition thats tough n im sorry 2hear it, but it can b controlled n adapted 2with counselling n medication. Ur not dying. B grateful 4that if nothing else. Goodnite."

Me: "I can't understand what the problem is. People with Aspergers don't recognise emotional cues. I can only respond to things according to logic because I don't understand really how I should respond to things emotionally. I know full well I've always been like this but I'm trying to deal with the fact I'm maybe not as much of an alien in society as I thought. I can't deal with ANYTHING in my relationship until I deal with my own emotions and how I view the world. It doesn't mean I have to change and I don't want to change; I just want to understand why people do things. Until I do that I will never be happy in anything that involves people, not just my relationship. I'm telling you this because I saw you as a friend and you have to understand that I'm not talking about Linsey or anything to ANYONE. Because I have to understand me first."

Her: "There's not much thats important 2u rite now. Not relationships. Not friendships. Not family. Not uni or career. All the things that support u, build the future n keep u sane - nun of its important to u rite now is it. Just a load websites that tell u the worst n a bita paper that tells u wot uv known 4years. Doctors will teach u2 accept n adapt. Thats all u can do, they cant sort out lifes general shit, so dont throw away everything else or ull have a long lonely life. i no all about that! anyway do it ur way - im sure u will anyway. i cant help u & u dont want that anyway so conversation ended. do it ur way, deal with it ur own way n take care. shake the globe or break the globe - care I don't" <- the last part is because she got me a Tatty Teddy/Me2U snow globe for Xmas which I found strange. I speak to her and sit next to her in work at the weekend, I'm not exactly bosom buddies.

Me: "I can't understand why you're being this way. I've explained to you how things are for me and you don't seem to get that."

Her: "I get it all. Ive bn an honest friend n offered support. U dont want that no get it. U need help. Get it."

Then: "Aspergers is lack of emotion 2people n society but u show plenty of emotion about linsay, alan (a guy in my work who is SOOOO loud its annoying and he generally does annoy me at times, v flamboyant), ur parents (I openly admit I hate my mother, I don't see why I shouldn't), adecco (a company I worked for that I'm going through tribunal action against - recieved sexual orientation discrimination to the point I was constructively dismissed. I was open about this with my new job; no secret.) etc, so it cant be a full vlown version of the condition. U can adapt n move on. U aint just found out about it so why now all the struggle? If it hadnt of bn 4linsay heading north, ud b coping with it ok just as uv dun all ur life. Thatwas the trigger 4this episode n ur frustration - not anything the docs or i have said. uv got so bogged down with her n ur failure 2meet uni deadlines that its affectin ur life n health - not the other way round. Wots a bita paper gona prove that u dont no already?? I'm going 2sleep now."

Me: "Don't contact me again. I was straight with you, you assume an awful lot about people you don't really know. DO NOT contact me again. I find that EXTREMELY offensive toward my condition and I'm covered under the Disability Discrimination Act so do NOT have to take that from any co-worker."

Her: "U mention discrimination alot in ur life (a dig at my tribunal action). I woz tryin 2b a friend. Sumfin u dont get."

Me: "Right I'm showing your texts to a senior manager. I told you not to contact me again."

Her: "Our last texts crossed. Simple."

Me: "I told you not to contact me again. Reporting this. You were told to stop it. You haven't."

She doesn't respond to it. About 20 mins later, after I've been seen by one of her friends going to speak to a senior member of staff in private, I get this...

Her: "I'm ur friend as long as u want it. A heated conversation doesnt stop that. I no ur havin a tuf time. Just trying 2help u."

Me: "Some of the things you've said are so nasty and vicious that I cannot believe I have them in my phone. I basically pleaded with you to stop. Thats bullying."

Her: "Not at all. Just trying 2help a friend who needs help n guidance. If not from me then others. Its u im concerned about. U n ur wellbeing. Nufin n no1 else. Wish u cd c that x"

Me: "I told you to back off from the subject of Linsey. I didn't deserve to have the kind of response that I got."

Her: "I'm sure ur tired n well stressed out, just focus on good things n people. Just dont push it all away. Its all there waitin 4the bubbly u 2cum back."

I don't respond because I've already reported her texts to a manager.

The next day I wake up to this text:

"I dont no much about any of it apart from wot uv told me - good n bad - just tellin u wot ive had similar in my experience. If thats not being a friend, then I'm sorry. Truly. U dont need my help or advice anyway. Take care"

I don't respond to that either.

What I don't get is... why are people so nasty at times? I never confided in this woman yet she's behaving like I've told her my deepest darkest secrets and we're the best of friends! I speak to her at work and occassionally text her asking her how her day has been! Yet she thinks she has the right to presume all this kind of shit because I mentioned that I was going for tests for Aspergers??? I never mentioned going on any websites or anything - I would have thought I made it plain I didn't want to discuss intimate things with her.

I really, really, REALLY hate people sometimes.

Apologies for the length of this; thinking aloud I guess.
She sounds rather weird; manipulative and controlling. I had a 'friend' like that. I call them 'poisonous' because they behave in a stalker-ish way and then claim that the problem is all in your head.

My 'friend' finally made a big mistake when she tried to get my husband to agree with her that I was being unreasonable towards her. Big no-no. He blew up at her.

These people are like spiders. They sit in the middle of a great web of relationships that they have made, sending nasty little messages and emails which, of course, the recipient has totally misinterpreted Rolleyes because the spider was only 'helping', 'giving advice' etc. They act all hurt that you get hurt, trying to turn the blame on to you.

I am really glad you have reported her. She sounds truly nasty.
I was kinda lucky because the manager I reported her to actually has a relative with AS and he said "I thought you had AS, I noticed you've got rapid eye movement; I recognise it in you so I believe you even pre-diagnosis. And I DESPISE ignorance and humilation toward it because I see what she goes through." and he's actually making a HUGE hoo-haa about it, even meeting with the head of HR! Turns out she's been openly bullying another member of staff who has depression - she was asking us if we thought he took drugs because he can have shakes that bad and his mood can be really rapid in changing. I said honestly that I thought yeah, he was probably on some kind of drug - but I've been on and off prescribed medication for years that ANY medication to me is also a "drug".

She sent him a nasty text message asking if "his drugs had worn off or wot" then said "no wonder no-one wants to sit with you anymore". Turns out she knows this guy has clinical depression and took drugs for it - which I know from personal experience can distort your moods and give you the shakes. The lucky thing is that because I mentioned her behaviour toward him in my interview with this manager, they're now talking to this guy. She's been a bitch to him for a lot longer and he's kept all the texts.

Think she'll get sacked. Good.
See, Bosses can be cool Tongue Capitalism can be cool.

I love a bit of "big guns" myself.

Chewing out some poor cunt that deserves it, bringing the wrath of God upon themselves Tongue

I love it.
I've known a couple of people like that.
Avoid.

I'll never understand how these sorts of people retain any kind of friendships with anyone.
I like to call them Real Life Trolls.

Another sure fire way to gage someone is whether or not they talk about other people behind their backs to you, then you know they're talking about YOU behind your back.  This might sound like it's obvious, but to me it wasn't implicitly obvious until it was pointed out to me by one of those Self Help tapes I used to listen to.  (it was Zig Ziglar)

ocampo Wrote:
LMAO ian! I just hope I'm there the day they tell her to fuck off Smile

Petty vengence? La la la la la *puts hands over ears*




I like to think that's the type of Boss i'm gonna be.

Work hard, be nice...ya best mate.

Fuck about?  Satan Tongue

The choice is that of the Employee alone.

Thomas the Solitary Wrote:
I've known a couple of people like that.
Avoid.

I'll never understand how these sorts of people retain any kind of friendships with anyone.
I like to call them Real Life Trolls.


It was being victimized by a troll on AFF (Yetti) and being able to stand up to her that gave me the courage not to be dragged back into the poisonous real-life relationship.

I spoke on the phone to another woman, 'S', who knew my ex-'friend'. She asked me to consider very carefully what 'ex' was saying about others! Because she could be very nasty about people behind their backs, even people who had gone out of their way to help her with extraordinary kindness.

Another thing, she would try to keep her friends apart - unlike me, she never actually invited different groups of her friends to meet up! - even to the extent of hurrying people out of her house if someone else turned up; and attempting to split up friends who already knew each other.

Also, this 'S' warned me about 'ex's' propensity to tell stories where she was the victim of other people's unreasonable behaviour (I had heard several). And to think about how much of a victim someone could be if she had alienated not only her ex-husband, but also: her (adult) children; her own parents; her co-workers and most of her friends.

Most of her 'friendship-making skills' seem to revove around making other people feel sorry for her and guilty if they don't rush to do her bidding.

I feel free now. Tongue

i have a friend like this, she was also spoiled rotten by her father,she was the youngest.

she has mostly grown out of her trollish ways.
I think too that she was in the middle of a manic episode and that she must have eventually come out of it and maybe realised how many silly things she said.

ocampo Wrote:
Thomas... you know, I got told that once before, but I'm a bit gullible at times and don't always believe it. As the guy who put in a complaint about her said: "she's got more faces than Big Ben" Tongue

Ian...I'm pretty much the same. Why do people go to work to act like pathetic kids? I go to earn money to pay rent, my car and buy crap Smile


Well that's why i'm going for this job with Timpsons rather than going back to College.

Kids Tongue the most brutal race known to Mankind, it's own offspring.

I'd much rather work in an environment that operates on Merit rather than Social status, Timpsons claim to operate on Merit.

As I've said I can be very nice, and I am, people here believe it or not can vouch for that, i'm nice to my friends, my girlfriend...shit i'm nice to my older brother Tongue

But if you fuck about with me, I will fuck about with you.

It's as simple as that.

ocampo Wrote:
Thomas... you know, I got told that once before, but I'm a bit gullible at times and don't always believe it. As the guy who put in a complaint about her said: "she's got more faces than Big Ben" Tongue

Ian...I'm pretty much the same. Why do people go to work to act like pathetic kids? I go to earn money to pay rent, my car and buy crap Smile


Well that's why i'm going for this job with Timpsons rather than going back to College.

Kids Tongue the most brutal race known to Mankind, it's own offspring.

I'd much rather work in an environment that operates on Merit rather than Social status, Timpsons claim to operate on Merit.

As I've said I can be very nice, and I am, people here believe it or not can vouch for that, i'm nice to my friends, my girlfriend...shit i'm nice to my older brother Tongue

But if you fuck about with me, I will fuck about with you.

It's as simple as that.

tenaciouscj Wrote:
I think too that she was in the middle of a manic episode and that she must have eventually come out of it and maybe realised how many silly things she said.


Nah - she was back for a brief period a few months after. Didn't regret a thing.

I found it really hard to read a lot of it, so just skimmed over most of it (I can't even do txt speak on a mobile, let alone on a computer screen).

But I got a strange sense that she was trying to usurp Linsay.  She was trying to be there for you and plant an idea that no one else was really there for you, not even Linsay, and she was strongly suggesting that your relationship wasn't right (when in fact it's none of her business) and she was your saviour.

The other thing that struck me is that it was quite 'passive aggressive' in nature.

You ask her to stop texting you.  She keeps replying, saying stuff like Oh, I'm just trying to be friends.  You repeat your request for her to stop texting, and she does the same stuff.

All that stuff, trying to portray herself as ever so nice and friendly and understanding and helpful (while in actual fact refusing to respect your wishes, in fact ignoring and overriding your clearly expressed wishes), that's a form of passive aggression.  

It's like she's trying to set you up in a passive aggressive fashion.  By doing that, which is, effectively, bullying behaviour, she's basically trying to provoke you into responding badly.  So then she can turn around and say:  Hey, I was just trying to help, but this is how you respond, this is you're AS, you're not 'normal', I'm trying to be understanding and helpful, but you can't help yourself because of who/what you are.

That's the gist of my understanding.  It's quite poisonous stuff.  It seems as though she wants to provoke a negative reaction to feed into her manipulative 'I'm your saviour' not your girlfriend complex... and she's trying to undermine you by getting you to react badly, so it will look as though you're the one who's behaving badly, when in fact what's she's doing is very underhand and nasty.

Totally toxic individual.  Steer well clear.

Ian Wrote:
I'd much rather work in an environment that operates on Merit rather than Social status, Timpsons claim to operate on Merit.

As I've said I can be very nice, and I am, people here believe it or not can vouch for that, i'm nice to my friends, my girlfriend...shit i'm nice to my older brother Tongue

But if you fuck about with me, I will fuck about with you.

It's as simple as that.


Have you been in a management position, Ian?
It's not as easy as all that.
I'm in a management position at work.  

Guess who gets to do the work when someone is sent home, or pissed off because they were disciplined and working slowly?  That's right.  
You are.  Of course, it may be different in a non factory job, but where I work, heh... it's not anywhere as easy as all that.
I used to think that way, too.

Sorry for the slightly off topic Smile

Oh I like all that jazz ;p

I'm thinkin of going for ultimate high risk, running me own business.

Maybe I will fail, as if I give a damn.
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