Aspies For Freedom

This is a better way of explaining how I feel.  I am frustrated with the current society and how they excluse people who are different.  

Oh please God not another troll..

I don't think I can take the strain ;p

I second this. Autism isn't necessarily an intrinsic disability - it largely becomes one because we are exposed to conditions that exacerbate our sensory issues and where our special skills may not be rewarded and where we are expected to have skills that don't come naturally to us. Plus, in order to receive the assistance some of us need, we have to be described as "disabled".

Thank you for reminding us that we all need to know all of human knowledge,even things we have no way of knowing of the existence of.And that we all need to understand immediately everything anyone says,even without knowing the context or having some essential information. I hesitate to have contact with the Disability Rights movement, even while agreeing with many of the positions and goals,because of a few things I don't, including things which would require me to violate my religous beliefs(long story, and I'll be away for a few days. I would fight for other's right to do it, i just don't want a law on the books saying I have to.). I also have some concerns  about whether some tactics are effective, and ecsessive statements and what I see as arguments that don't hold water.And i have the impression that i would never be allowed to participate under any cercumstances,both because of those things and because of decisions I have made and things i have done, mostly things i would have preferred to avoid, which make me someone who hates all disabled people,A Nazi,and generally the enemy.This will probably be deleted, and scream at me as much as you want.I'm not sure right now if i'll be here in a few months, so i'm not worried about what other people think.

I hope anbuend doesn't feel too attacked now.

Someone at the norwegian forum said she felt it was a big difference between saying "I'm disabled" and saying "I have a disability".

Even the most "high-functioning" are likely to have some disadvantages which I guess could be called disabilities or part of a disability. Still people probably wouldn't call themselves disabled because of some minor disadvantages, while it might just be OK for them to say that they have a few difficulties in a similar fashion as saying they have an allergy.

Ofcourse I agree with anbuend that we probably have alot to learn from the disability communities.

I believe EvilZakkie is refering to Zoran.

I'm currently hunting for a simply explanation of what's the difference between disability rights movements and civil rights movements.

Funny how many autism organisations are listed in the wikipedia list of disability rights movements. Including AFF and Autism Network International.

Maybe Autism Rights movements are different from both disability and civil rights movements...

All not about autism seems so simple. ;P

I totally agree that autism has disability rights issues, but have difficulty seeing that when an autistic student gets bullied for walking funny and the teacher is passive about it that supposedly is a disability rights issue. It bet it wouldn't be a disability rights issue if the student wasn't autistic.

Ofcourse it may be something great about labeling it as a disability right issue which I haven't heard of. To be honest I just have the feeling that disablity rights against autism discrimination would get less attention than civil rights against autism discrimination, but that may be prejudice.

Where I live, it was even suggested we join forces with the mental illness fellowship and Grow people. There is quite a degree of overlap because Aspies are very likely to suffer depression and other mental health issues as co-morbids.

I believe in another thread, a recent poster said that she found her co-morbids far more disabling than her autism. I feel the same way but haven't been involved very much in mental illness fellowship groups. Years ago, I attended a support group for agoraphobics for a while as I thought that was what I had.

People termed mentally ill have often had to contend with misunderstanding, lack of suitable services, and invasive and unsuitable treatments and this is very much like the kind of issues we face too.

The only real problem I see is that I don't think autism is a mental illness. Society does though. There is a distinction. Autism isn't a mental illness but it is very common for aspies to have co-morbid mental illnesses. This is what confuses the issue.

I am very sorry that I made you unhappy by having my house tented for termites, and not being able to reschedule, at a time you didn't find acceptable.I know what you're referring, to. i thought of going back and clarifying some things, especially those ideas that have been used to harm and abuse me.I punished myself for making you unhappy.I've never indulged anybody right, or enought.i was serious, and did not intend to be hostile, when i said that i hesitated to join forces with Disablity Rights, because i had encountered(i would give some specifics if asked), once, a call for legislation that might require me to violate my religious beliefs, and some things i have seen where i agree with positions and goals but thought the tactics being used to get them wouldn't work,or arguements were presented that i thought wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.And i'll tell you why I'm a Nazi. A few  years ago, my 85 year old mother , who was seriously ill and had had another of a series of strokes, was in a state where she was dying.My siblings and i were asked what we wanted to do.Because of her age, overall condition,and her own religoius beliefs and and what she had told us she would want for herself, we (not i alone, all of us),decided that she should be given no more treatment,and allowed to die and make the journey into the afterlife.Because i agreed to this, According to some Disability Activists, i must think it's ok to massacure disabled people.

My mother was not euthanized.We ended most of her treatment, but no action was taken to actively shorten her life. at that time, in that place, it was not legal.
   The law that would have violated my beliefs was the proposal by Not Dead Yet that everyone in a persistant vegatative state must be kept alive for as long as possible and treatment and support could never be withdrawn.This would violate my belief that people are given a certain lifespan to live out, or need to complete some tasks they were sent here to do, and when this is completed,death can happen any time after that.there's an extra part of this that says that death can happen too early, or that someone could live after the time they were supposed to die, if human beings interfere somehow.This includes things like dying before the right time by suicide,or an accidental death being stopped when it should have happened and that was the right time for that person to die. This has been going on forever, and until recently it wasn't thought to be as big a possible problem as it is now,because if someone was supposed to die and didn't, things would correct themselves and that person would die soon afterward some other way. Now that people can be kept alive for so long, in that condition, it's possible that someone could be kept alive for decades after they should have died, and might not be available to do something else in the Afterlife  or a later incarnation, and if that happens, it would cause a lot of problems for that person and for others. That's why I would prefer for it to be legal to allow death to proceed for me if someone who knows my beliefs thinks that the right moment for my death has come and gone.I have no problem with anyone else being kept alive for as long as the people making that decision consider it the right thing to do, for any reason,and I know in some religions,prolonging life as long as possible might be thought to be the right thing to.i just don't want a law that would not allow me to be allowed to die if my beliefs say it's the right time.

Anbuend-I recieved the orders you gave me.  I have to keep talking til you say i can stop, make myself available whenever you want,do and believe what you say, treat you the way you want, and your feelings take precedence over my PTSD and maybe my safety. Of course i will obey.

Personally I don't see autism itself as a disability, but for the sake of simplicity call it disability when people I talk to find it more appropriate.

I do however see more specific functional issues that could be related to autism as disabilities.

There's still the emotional responses to "not disability" (as if we are saying that disability is irrelevant to autism) that would probably stop autism being defined like that, but I agree.