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featherways Wrote:
I was recently evicted from a church support group, soon after disclosing I'm aspie and asking for help with spirituality.��They claimed it was "for the safety of the group".��They refused to comment further on what sort of possible danger it could have been to have me in there.�� Better still, when I asked if I could get an advocate to assist them with understanding, I received a message from one of the leaders saying I needed their permission to ask for help for myself, and I should ****off.

Needless to say, I'm not willing to be part of that any more.��But are we supposed to be dangerous?��Why do some people simply fear being anywhere near someone on the spectrum?��Ideas?


I am so sorry this happened to you.  It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people can be.  People fear what they don't understand.  Spirituality is about love.  Religion is not.

featherways Wrote:
I was recently evicted from a church support group, soon after disclosing I'm aspie and asking for help with spirituality.��They claimed it was "for the safety of the group".��They refused to comment further on what sort of possible danger it could have been to have me in there.�� Better still, when I asked if I could get an advocate to assist them with understanding, I received a message from one of the leaders saying I needed their permission to ask for help for myself, and I should ****off.

Needless to say, I'm not willing to be part of that any more.��But are we supposed to be dangerous?��Why do some people simply fear being anywhere near someone on the spectrum?��Ideas?


Those religious idiots fear anything they dont understand, look at what they say about women, that they are mans slaves & that a man can have like 10 wives, sounds pretty whacked to me.  

If they can say that about women I can just imagine what they would say about anything else.  Last time I checked it was the other way around lol, we are the womans slaves.

The reason why anyone might be scared of someone on the spectrum may be because lately their have been some incidents that hit the news like that autistic college student that decided to shoot up the school.  Their have been other incidents that hit the news about us as well.

Ian Wrote:
I know, but I still felt it my duty to inform you. ;]


Why, thank you kind sir! Shy

That's the kind of gentlemanly behaviour often so sadly lacking in our society today. (Elderly shake of the head and exasperated intake of breath).  I do declare you have passed the Britishness test! Tongue Go straight to the flag and start singing! Big Grin

Ian Wrote:
He's a troll, Marcia.

Disregard.


Lets recap, a religious group kicks featherways out & tells him to F-off because he's an aspie & apparently dangerous. do you follow?

featherways now thinks that we are stereotyped as dangerous by everyone.  I'm here to re-assure that religious groups like that tend to discriminate, as an example, look at how religion treats females.  

The general puplic does not think were dangerous.

If you think that the group had the right to do that, then thats your opinion.  But I think aspies have the right to not be discriminated against & any group to do so should hear my $0.02

I'm so sorry to hear that no-one has been back in contact you from that church.  Sad

I do hope that you are able to go to church tomorrow.  I understand that it is difficult and that being stressed or worried is not amenable to worship.  Maybe it would help to set aside a short, quiet time before you leave the house to pray.  Tell God about your worries and anxieties and ask for his help.  Ask him to be with you and comfort you.  Give yourself and worries to God, knowing that he is there for you and with you.

When you go into the church maybe you could say simply that you are uncomfortable in large groups of people and ask if there's a quieter area where you could sit.  This may not be possible, either for you to ask, or for them to find a quiet spot on Easter Sunday, but it's a thought....

During the service, remember that the standing up and sitting down bit is part of worship, but certainly not essential to it.  So what if you don't know the responses or are slow in standing, sitting, kneeling etc.  It really doesn't matter! Smile  I've noticed that some people remain seated throughout a service - for their own reasons, it's really no-one else's concern and I've not noticed anyone being bothered about it either.  So maybe you could just decide to remain sitting, apart from taking communion.  That gives you less to worry about during the service and you might find it easier to focus on worship.

Closing your eyes might help as well, blot out the distractions and other people around you.

If you feel yourself getting stressed try a brief prayer into yourself along the lines of "Lord, be with me" or simply "Abba, Father".  Let yourself be brought into his presence and feel the distractions and activity around you fade into the background.

All this seems a bit much!  Smile

Remember, it's about you being able to worship God.  Keep it simple and keep close to Him.

I'll be praying for you. Smile
That's great, I'm glad it went so well - it sounds like a good place!

Enjoy the rest of Easter! Smile
Hi Featherways
First of all I must admit I haven't read all the messages posted on this topic so, what I'm about to comment might have been already covered by someone else. But just in case it wasn't, I shall explain:
I think I understand why a religious support group might consider you as a liability. Most of the aspies I personally know (such as and myself) are atheists. I don't know if there's a correlation between being an Aspie and religious belief. But I do know this, there's an inverse correlation between inteligence (measured as IQ) and religious belief. I don't mean to offend anyone, but in other words; the smarter you are, the less likely you have a religious belief. There's hard statistical evidence that supports this. (of course, that's doesn't mean very smart people can't be religious, it just means it's less likely they are)  As I'm sure everyone here knows, we aspies tend to possess a level of inteligence which fluctuates from average to brilliant. I must add, in my experience almost every aspie I have ever met is quite brilliant.
Thus, maybe if someone in a religious group has a previous knwoledge about aspies being smart, open minded, independent, and very willing challenge authority and dogma, maybe then it's not such a good idea to include one in the group.
Finally I should add that I respect all forms of thought and religion even if I don't always agree with them, so I hope this post won't be misunderstood as some kind of crticism of religion or belief. I'm just making a comment on what I believe it could be the reason you were banned from your group.

Forgive my english if there's any mistakes... english it's not my first language.

Best regards

Miguel

featherways Wrote:
I was recently evicted from a church support group, soon after disclosing I'm aspie and asking for help with spirituality.��They claimed it was "for the safety of the group".��They refused to comment further on what sort of possible danger it could have been to have me in there.�� Better still, when I asked if I could get an advocate to assist them with understanding, I received a message from one of the leaders saying I needed their permission to ask for help for myself, and I should ****off.

Needless to say, I'm not willing to be part of that any more.��But are we supposed to be dangerous?��Why do some people simply fear being anywhere near someone on the spectrum?��Ideas?



thats just disgusting and pathetic, what happened to the deities of any religion turning away someone who could use the help of others, wether they are disabled or completely mental if they need something like this then let them become part of it.

I'm just waiting for the religious warfare to start, let's face it there are tons of fanatics for each and they are all pretty determined to prove they're right
They dont understand us, they dont like us obviously, they think we are dangerous just because we can sometimes do things that are unsafe like neuro typicals do, its just "different" when we do it in neuro typical opinion because of what we have been diagnosed with. I know its cruel.
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