01-30-2008, 02:34 AM
02-03-2008, 02:22 PM
If this is what happened, then f*ck that church. If a church can't recognize autistic people as one of god's creations, on equal standing and with equal value as their neurotypical brethren, then that church is not following God's will, and is in fact commiting blasphemy against their creator for showing such hatred for one of His creations, as well as showing blasphemy against their fellow man for excluding them from their worship. If the church cannot accept you as God created you, then that church has no merit in seeking your worship.
02-21-2008, 01:19 PM
People really don't understand.They seem to think we could be NT if we just tried harder. ???? They would never say to the wheelchair users,"If you tried harder you could walk." [/quote]
02-22-2008, 01:20 AM
GuessWho Wrote:
It is what likable people do, recently on NPR someone said, go out with the geek, he is sincere, it is harder going out with the desirable guy/girl, something about they aren't happy, is it because they can act so well? I dunno.
Hey, GuessWho, I heard that on NPR, too, on "Wait, Wait...Don't Tell Me" -- a trivia quiz show for those unfamiliar with it. The people on that show are goofy, and they injected a lot of humor into their presentation of that research. It wasn't mean-spirited humor, though, because they themselves are geeks! They said sociologists have found that the uber-popular person was not a good bet for a close relationship because they have adapted socially so "well" (sociologists call them "self monitors") that they are afraid of commitment, avoid honest disclosure, etc. With the dork, what you see is what you get; as you said, he’s sincere.
It would have been good if they had cited the source, but they never did, so I couldn't find more info about that research, at least using Google, though I tried many keyword combinations. I did go back and listen to just that segment of the show again online, though.
If anybody wants to hear it, you can at http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/ru...p?prgId=35
Just go down the page to the heading “Panel Round Two.”
02-22-2008, 06:44 AM
featherways Wrote:
I was recently evicted from a church support group, soon after disclosing I'm aspie and asking for help with spirituality.
The new testement has a story about Jesus telling the pharohs (when he was being reprimanded for hanging with misfits) that like a doctor, his work is with those who are in need.
That church was full of pharohs
02-23-2008, 03:56 AM
This is just plain lousy and ignorant. I am not sure how the discrimination laws work over in the UK. But I would perhaps write a letter to the newspaper to deliberately embarrass them. Personally, I would find another religious group and tell the old group to shove it.
03-01-2008, 10:46 PM
Churchs are usually set up in a command like structure. I used to work in one. If you dont get answers at your local church usually there is a higher place you can go to adress your concers.
I admit my concerns about my treatment when I disclosed my Aspergers was not properly addressed either, and I ended up leaving.
I admit my concerns about my treatment when I disclosed my Aspergers was not properly addressed either, and I ended up leaving.
03-02-2008, 01:12 AM
I'm a christian, and an aspie. So as much as I think they did a bad thing, it's not good to generalize people. I know alot of support groups at church that do not turn away people, regardless of race, religion or creed. I hope you find someone to lift you up, rather than tear you down.
03-03-2008, 06:26 AM
It's the idea that Jesus loved everyone regardless of if they followed him or not. Thats why even atheist's can come into church's if they need help, and not just spiritual help, either.
03-03-2008, 06:28 AM
Sorry - I didn't want to get this topic off into religious discussion.
03-03-2008, 06:29 AM
I'm* -Pretend this is an edit. 
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-03-03-2008, 06:29 AM
And I meant to say belief too.. wow, 4 posts in a row. Sorry guys.
03-04-2008, 11:14 PM
featherways Wrote:
I've been given details of an inclusive church who've never tried to be inclusive for people on the autistic spectrum before, but they've been absolutely brilliant so far. Not got as far as going to a church service quite yet, but I've met the vicar and visited the church, and he's been surprised at how many things I found to be scary which he would never have thought of. He's got a friendly person who's willing to sit with me in the service and talk me through what I have to do, and when to do it. It's very High Church so there's a lot to think about and get right, but it's something I want to try.
And a good friend of mine has now said she'll go with me too.
Phew, this seems like something that could work.
If only we could get a lot more churches/places of worship to try...
And a good friend of mine has now said she'll go with me too.
Phew, this seems like something that could work.
If only we could get a lot more churches/places of worship to try...
i'm training as a minister and have visited a few churches in the course of my training, both as a worshipper and as a preacher. Churches vary hugely according to not only the minister, but also the people who attend and the type of area they're in. I know of one church in a village near where I live which is completely accepting of an autistic man in his 40s. He has stayed in the village all his life so is well known to everyone and no-one bothers about his stimming or occasional outbursts at all. He's part of the church community, no more and no less than anyone else. Another church, where I will do my final placement, is in an area of deprivation - low employment, high drug use etc-- and large numbers of people seeking asylum in the UK. The atmosphere in that church is lovely, very friendly and accepting. The last time I was there a lady in a wheelchair, who had a slight speech impediment, did the bible reading. Some churches I know would not have included her because she couldn't stand at the lectern and wasn't a clear speaker. But when I heard her read, the Bible and a hand held mic were taken to her and she read with great passion and conviction - better than many who can stand up at the front and can speak clearly but without really understanding the message!
Going to a new church can be a daunting experience for anyone and I'm glad to hear that you seem to have a found a church who are welcoming and open to new ideas and perspectives on what they do. Have to admit that High services confuse me!
I'd be interested in knowing more about the issues you've raised with the vicar and maybe I could pass them on to my own church... I'll PM you about it if that's ok?
03-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Jay9 Wrote:
Those religious idiots fear anything they dont understand, look at what they say about women, that they are mans slaves & that a man can have like 10 wives, sounds pretty whacked to me.
If they can say that about women I can just imagine what they would say about anything else. Last time I checked it was the other way around lol, we are the womans slaves.
You been drinking again? You're the one that's sounding "pretty whacked" to me.
03-12-2008, 09:25 PM
Ian Wrote:
He's a troll, Marcia.
Disregard.
Disregard.
I know - was just taking the piss!