12-27-2007, 02:44 PM
12-27-2007, 04:11 PM
couldbecousin Wrote:
Can a church support group be sued?
They can be SHAMED!!
What would Jesus do????????
It is hypocrites like this that make me reluctant to call myself a Christian.
(Assuming that is the church group in question, and apologies if not.)
12-27-2007, 05:39 PM
featherways Wrote:
Better still, when I asked if I could get an advocate to assist them with understanding, I received a message from one of the leaders saying I needed their permission to ask for help for myself, and I should ****off.
They said you needed to get permission from them to ask for help for yourself?
And then they told you to **** off?
What sort of 'church' is this?
12-27-2007, 10:31 PM
WTH?? Getting kicked out of a church support group?? How is that loving your neighbor or showing charity??
And then after rejecting you, saying that they want to reconsider, as if you should see that as an honor or something. They should be begging you for forgiveness.
OK - initial reaction over...
I think some people are scared of us because either they don't know about us (they think "mental disorder" = antisocial personality disorder), or we intimidate them.
And then after rejecting you, saying that they want to reconsider, as if you should see that as an honor or something. They should be begging you for forgiveness.
OK - initial reaction over...
I think some people are scared of us because either they don't know about us (they think "mental disorder" = antisocial personality disorder), or we intimidate them.
12-27-2007, 10:39 PM
I agree that even if they can't be sued, they should be publicly named and shamed. That's disgraceful.
Have you considered telling the press?
Have you considered telling the press?
12-27-2007, 11:22 PM
I think I left an Assembly of God church over a teacher disclosing my special ed status. In retrospect I think she was respectful, I misunderstood. But this goes too far.
12-27-2007, 11:25 PM
featherways Wrote:
Sueing the Church of England? Not sure how that would work...oh, and then their moderators said that because I was coping with some of the message board conversations ok, I must be exaggerating my difficulties. The actual members were great - they wanted me to stay, by the way.
The leadership at the very top have apologised and said they want to learn how they can not make those mistakes again...but they're not that willing to do much to stop what's happening in that particular group by the look of it. They want to think about it for three months (!). And they seem to have no-one in the entire country with experience of spirituality and ASD, and have only told me to go find some other religious community. (eek!)
Difficult.
I don't want to take them on - it's really knocked the proverbial stuffing out of me and my doc has told me to stay away from any more stress - but I do want to know why I got that reaction for asking for help for this. And I'd love to know what the heck to say to them that would make a difference for anyone else who thought they were likely to get help/support/understanding.
The leadership at the very top have apologised and said they want to learn how they can not make those mistakes again...but they're not that willing to do much to stop what's happening in that particular group by the look of it. They want to think about it for three months (!). And they seem to have no-one in the entire country with experience of spirituality and ASD, and have only told me to go find some other religious community. (eek!)
Difficult.
I don't want to take them on - it's really knocked the proverbial stuffing out of me and my doc has told me to stay away from any more stress - but I do want to know why I got that reaction for asking for help for this. And I'd love to know what the heck to say to them that would make a difference for anyone else who thought they were likely to get help/support/understanding.
I'm very sorry to hear this, but it seems about right for The C of E from experiences of those with mental health problems, they say one thing & do another.
I know that this isn't a mental health issue, but apart from the fact they run many schools for autistic children, this is all I could find, this is their official line on mental health issues.
C of E & mental Health
Quote:
Promoting Mental Health - A Resource for Spiritual and Pastoral Care
Promoting mental health: A resource for spiritual and pastoral care is a flexible tool for use in parishes, in a range of different groups and situations to trigger discussion and debate. mentality was commissioned by the Church of England and the National Institute for Mental Health in England to provide information on mental health and its promotion and protection within congregations and the wider community. The commission was received following a debate in General Synod in February 2003 (see above). The discussion at Synod, which was led by the Ven. Arthur Hawes, Archdeacon of Lincoln, explored the proposed revisions to the Mental Health Act 1983 and called for a resource of mental health awareness for use in parishes. The resource focuses on how faith communities can be welcoming to people with mental or emotional distress, as well as learning from their experiences and benefiting from their contributions. The two core principles are to provide the opportunity for people within the Christian and other faith communities to reflect on mental health and what it means for each of their members; and to use the increased knowledge and understanding of mental health to create a safer and more welcoming environment for all people, whatever their mental health needs.
To download a copy of this resource please click here - Promoting Mental Health: a resource for spiritual and pastoral care.
Promoting mental health: A resource for spiritual and pastoral care is a flexible tool for use in parishes, in a range of different groups and situations to trigger discussion and debate. mentality was commissioned by the Church of England and the National Institute for Mental Health in England to provide information on mental health and its promotion and protection within congregations and the wider community. The commission was received following a debate in General Synod in February 2003 (see above). The discussion at Synod, which was led by the Ven. Arthur Hawes, Archdeacon of Lincoln, explored the proposed revisions to the Mental Health Act 1983 and called for a resource of mental health awareness for use in parishes. The resource focuses on how faith communities can be welcoming to people with mental or emotional distress, as well as learning from their experiences and benefiting from their contributions. The two core principles are to provide the opportunity for people within the Christian and other faith communities to reflect on mental health and what it means for each of their members; and to use the increased knowledge and understanding of mental health to create a safer and more welcoming environment for all people, whatever their mental health needs.
To download a copy of this resource please click here - Promoting Mental Health: a resource for spiritual and pastoral care.
In other words....they are meant to help!!
12-28-2007, 07:22 PM
quickduck Wrote:
I've found that Church leaders with a sense of humour tends to be ok; while those who are poe-faced and pious are more often inclined toward being prejudiced and discriminatory.
I think this is ' spot on '.
My own experiences some of the ' poe faced & pious ' is that they do indeed discriminate & can be very dictatorial.
For instance I have known such to bar entry to young children...even well behaved ones, because they might disrupt the service.
One Vicar I knew gave a sermon that was a lecture on how to kneel properly in Church, which was a bit off really considering the average age of most of the congregation!
Like featherways I hate choices. I hate politics. I especially hate prejudice.
In circumstances like these I vote with my feet & find a Church & Vicar that suits my needs.
01-11-2008, 03:41 PM
I am sure people with Asperger have feelings and need to be vindicated.
SoulSick had suggested that some Aspies might or might have resorted to rape simply out of long-term repeated sexual rejection (Can Aspies get a girlfriend? August 2007) The good lives theory (which seems more in vogue in Australia or New Zealand) suggests that recidivism for certain crimes can be greatly reduced by approaching crime as a bad strategy to attain certain personal needs and substituting better strategies instead.
I don't think we are nearly as capable of violence as our NT counterparts even if rejection hurts. Would you agree?
SoulSick had suggested that some Aspies might or might have resorted to rape simply out of long-term repeated sexual rejection (Can Aspies get a girlfriend? August 2007) The good lives theory (which seems more in vogue in Australia or New Zealand) suggests that recidivism for certain crimes can be greatly reduced by approaching crime as a bad strategy to attain certain personal needs and substituting better strategies instead.
I don't think we are nearly as capable of violence as our NT counterparts even if rejection hurts. Would you agree?
02-21-2008, 04:24 PM
With enough experience we can seem very NT, can't we?
We can learn to fake a lot of eye contact, fake genuine smiles too (learn the difference between a Pan Am smile and a smile that uses the muscles in your forehead too). We can learn to be high self-monitoring, it takes a lot of energy and mental effort. It is kind of like being in theater, huh, but it is real life.
We can learn to fake a lot of eye contact, fake genuine smiles too (learn the difference between a Pan Am smile and a smile that uses the muscles in your forehead too). We can learn to be high self-monitoring, it takes a lot of energy and mental effort. It is kind of like being in theater, huh, but it is real life.
02-21-2008, 04:32 PM
It is what likable people do, recently on NPR someone said, go out with the geek, he is sincere, it is harder going out with the desirable guy/girl, something about they aren't happy, is it because they can act so well? I dunno.
I liked one woman down the hall (before she took a job elsewheres) at work especially because I thought she was socialable and attractive (maybe the poor envying the rich) as well as intelligent and educated.
I think we handled it very well.
She did nothing to make the situation worse, I remained professional at all times, if I was hurting, I hurt silently. Depression certainly probes for a vulnerability and I certainly know where mine is. I am Asperger and I am single and I am lonely surrounded by perhaps a dozen quality single female professional employees in this building.
Yes, I found out later she in fact did date one of the graphic design dudes. As I stated earlier in another thread, this is not a recommended practice, although we do not punish it.
I liked one woman down the hall (before she took a job elsewheres) at work especially because I thought she was socialable and attractive (maybe the poor envying the rich) as well as intelligent and educated.
I think we handled it very well.
She did nothing to make the situation worse, I remained professional at all times, if I was hurting, I hurt silently. Depression certainly probes for a vulnerability and I certainly know where mine is. I am Asperger and I am single and I am lonely surrounded by perhaps a dozen quality single female professional employees in this building.
Yes, I found out later she in fact did date one of the graphic design dudes. As I stated earlier in another thread, this is not a recommended practice, although we do not punish it.
02-22-2008, 01:24 AM
Denise Wrote:
Hey, GuessWho, I heard that on NPR, too, on "Wait, Wait...Don't Tell Me" -- a trivia quiz show for those unfamiliar with it.  The people on that show are goofy, and they injected a lot of humor into their presentation of that research.  It wasn't mean-spirited humor, though, because they themselves are geeks!  They said sociologists have found that the uber-popular person was not a good bet for a close relationship because they have adapted socially so "well" (sociologists call them "self monitors") that they are afraid of commitment, avoid honest disclosure, etc.  With the dork, what you see is what you get; as you said, he’s sincere.
Guess Who Wrote:
I liked one woman down the hall (before she took a job elsewheres) at work especially because I thought she was socialable and attractive (maybe the poor envying the rich) as well as intelligent and educated.
I didn't think I knew anything really about her for five years. Maybe she was a social chamelion too.
05-01-2008, 07:47 PM
featherways Wrote:
I was recently evicted from a church support group, soon after disclosing I'm
What denomination did these Satanists belong to? I bet they were some flavor of Prod.
05-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Jay9 Wrote:
[quote=featherways]Those religious idiots fear anything they dont understand, look at what they say about women, that they are mans slaves & that a man can have like 10 wives, sounds pretty whacked to me.
Because, after all, all religions people agree with each other on all matters and are utterly alike in all things, just like all Aspies are merely stereotypes.
You are a worthless little bigot who would serve humanity best by finding a hole, climbing in, and never coming out again.
05-07-2008, 03:05 PM
There is a kind of mysticism behind the Holy Spirit and what it can do to make people stronger than they can do by themselves. It is enough to make someone a Christian- I was a college graduate when I converted,