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bravesj858 Wrote:
apparently, dr. phil is having an autism show tomorrow.  and judging by the preview, it's probably going to be autism=evil child.  and i read the reviews from the last show he did about as.  my hopes aren't up for this one, and again, he's a shrink, so expect him to give out the typical shrink answers like 'this child will never develop into nothing more than what he is now', etc.  just wanted it to get out.


which network/country?

I c where you are getting that [ not personally....
we need to work together....
I am a parent of a ten year old son who is diagnosed with severe autism, and my husband has Asperger's.  My son does get violent sometimes, but it is because something is wrong, and he can't communicate.  It's never done to intentionally hurt others.  I just think if you are going to portray individuals with autism as violent, then you've also got to point out what the individual is going through-sensory issues, not being able to communicate, etc.,  and point out that any human being would act that way given the circumstances.  Also, definitely, all individuals are not violent, and that is definitely a stereotype that is perpetuated.   I too, was disappointed, and knew to be like the rest of you because Dr. Phil is like Jerry Springer now.

On the other hand, I did like him mentioning the stress that the parents are under and that they are dealing with it inappropriately.  Sadly because there is so much discrimination against individuals who have any type of difference, and society doesn't want to change to allow for people who have different life styles, parents are under a lot of stress when raising children who have special needs, differences, etc.  I do want to emphasize that most of my pain in raising my son comes from the way society treats us, the loss of friends and family.  I wish someone could have a show that encourages society, family, and friends to a better job a treating people with autism well and their families well, that's really at the heart of this.  

As far as treatments, Dr. Phil showed a mother who got early intervention for her son for autism starting at the age of two. The mother said that every waking hour of her son's life, he was receiving intervention.  Three years later her son was able to go to mainstream school.  I want my son to do the best that he can, just like I would want if he didn't have autism, but I can't imagine having the stamina, resources, or support to provide him with intervention during every waking hour.  That's a lot to put on a person who has autism and their families.
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/974

I really like the comment one mother made though -
'I recently received a note from a friend who, like me, has a child with a disability. It reads, 'Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it is about learning to dance in the rain.'

How lovely.
Is it the Aspie in me?
I "just" love my kids.

What the H&ll is conditional love?
For unconditional love to be a term is just....????

"Nope throw 'em back I don't want that one..."

I have worked with kids on the spectrum and when their parents meet me it's like I am not the future they want for their kids!

Run our powerplants, fix our machines, pay taxs and be a slave to the Matrix but don't tell me you are what my Aspie child will be like in 40 years...

A loving caring father and friend ...what a tragedy that would be.

Tim( mostly Idiot, Not much Savant...)

tenaciouscj Wrote:
Maybe that's why my comments were not generally listened to a lot when I joined an autism support group. I think the hope was that they could show parents an example of a child born with autism who grew up to be "normal".

They must be hoping their children can be cured if only they work hard enough with them.


The point to make to these parents IMHO is that some of the skill set will develop to the middle of the curve and some of the skill set won't.

Some of my skills are far better than my NT peers...when it came to running those powerplants I was much more in tune to the machines.

I will never be "Mister Popular"...
My childrens skill sets are all over the map...what makes them NT is that they can socialize better than me.
Will my daughter have a happy marriage...who knows.

A neighbor nearly drove his son to suicide because he wanted him to be a soccer star...and used to tell me to make my son play soccer.
My son liked basketball...I like neither.
My son decided for himself to play soccer his senior year.
No one in the league could score against him...six shut outs.
He then played a few games in a navy league and then went on to other things...

Just love our kids and let them be who ever they are going to be.
Help them find "their" way not "the" way...

Just my view...try turning one snowflake into another.

Tim(variation on a theme)

bravesj858 Wrote:
looks like it's the autism=violent killers angle.  one more step towards us being labeled psychotic potentially.

Well I wouldn't put Oprah on any kind of pedestal either. You should see the junk she has on the air. My guess is if you have a dynamic personality and lots of connections and the ability to *** talk on air, you can have a talk show.

The only talk show I ever liked was Phil Donahue................

violet_yoshi Wrote:
I've been posting on the boards, and I agree with the me, me, me thing from the parents. I just posted a loooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg post about the issue. Saying the problem isn't the children. The problem is we live in a society that allows parents to act like martyrs. "I didn't realize having a child was a life-long commitment" "I thought my kid would be "perfect" and I could just kick them out of the house at 18 to start a life of their own" "What do you mean I have to possibly take care of this child for the rest of their life, that's so unfair to ME!"

As you can imagine, I already got 1 "You're not a parent, YOU don't understand ANYTHING post" I wonder what I'll get from this one. I would have more respect for someone who says, maybe I'm not fit to be a parent. Than someone who becomes a parent, and then realizes it's too much for them to handle. Either your someone capable of unconditional love or not. The parents who go on these shows, are showing the world that they are incapable of unconditional love. That they do have a condition to wether or not their child deserves love from them. That condition being their child is neurotypical.

These parents shouldn't get anymore pity-party shows dedicated to them. There should be shows about the parents who dedicate themselves to Autistic children. Real parents, who dedicate their life to their child, instead of whining about how having a child is causing suffering to them. Perhaps someone like me on the show, who says, these are parents to be admired. Parents who care about their children and love them for WHO THEY ARE. Not bear a grudge against them, for being BORN as something their parents DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE.

This is what happens when you baby-coddle these martyr parents. They and their martyr parent friends, get air time to talk about their suffering. So that these shows can get raitings from fellow martyr parents. All while the children are suffering, from having half-assed parents.


Yoshi, I couldn't tell someone that their parenting ideas are invalid due to them not being parents themselves. Just not doable to me. I just don't like the debates that seem to start at every mssg board about who is the better parent and so on. Men don't have to deal with this. Women do and I hate it.

violet_yoshi Wrote:
I'm glad you feel that way. It isn't, at least as I see it, an issue over who's a better parent. Since I'm not a parent myself. I think it's more, "How dare you make me have to put in extra effort, to take care of my child?" Like, how they've suffered all day taking care of a child, and how cruel it is to make them move a few seats away because you have Hyperacusis, a sound sensitivity condition.


It may not directly seem to you as an issue over who is the better parent but it is cotton pickin close in my opinion. NT women commonly get into these discussions. And if a person happens to be around who does not have kids, their opinions are often overlooked. I never had strong opinions on parenting.......I never got into discussions of it. When women group together and discuss it along with cleaning and husbands, I am out in left field. I do what needs to be done but would rather not talk about it. Anyway keep the faith Yoshi.

Sorry, stupid American, here.
By dummy you mean a pacifier, right?

who care what he saids?? he's such a condescending  ***!
i'm just glad that i don't ushally get home untill after is over.
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