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I would imagine that autism would be depicted as bad in any national show. Dr. Phil is a cool guy, kinda(though, he is really over rated), but I don't think he would want any massive *** talking going on by NOT discussing the negatives of autism. Because, as you all know, if his ratings go down, his money goes down.

I will be watching out of mere curiosity, if I can get home on time. If not, I'll find a torrent file Tongue.

Or maybe some one here would like to record it for some of us?

bravesj858 Wrote:
syndicated in the us.  check your local listings for time and channel as it varies.  i won't be watching.



I initially liked Dr. Phil- admired his "let's be totally honest", no bullshit approach, but he has devolved into another Jerry Springer, i.e., he has NOT gone the "high road, spiritual, Oprah direction" unfortunately.

Just watch his ads- that's all you need to know. He likes sensationalism more than honest content, honest presentation...

for what it's worth here is the synopsis for today's show. Again sensational:

"The ultimate test for any parent is loving a child who is difficult, sometimes frightening, to the whole family. It’s a test parents of autistic children are put to daily. Ten-year-old Luz throws screaming tantrums, barks like a dog, and tells his mother, Sara, that he plans to kill her. Sara has long felt despair at Luz’s out-of-control behavior, yet she was shocked when a doctor diagnosed him with autism. Go inside the daily life of this family, see Luz’s wild behavior caught on tape, and learn why Sara’s main coping mechanisms might be putting her at risk. Then, a member of Dr. Phil’s own staff achieved miraculous results for her autistic child and her whole family through an intense program. Could a similar treatment work for Luz? Plus, what causes autism? Several recent media reports and high-profile parents such as Jenny McCarthy have pointed the finger at vaccinations. Is there a link? Child care expert and pediatrician Dr. Jim Sears weighs in. Then, imagine having a crime committed against you, but not having a voice or any way to tell someone you’d been wronged. Some mothers in Las Vegas say that’s exactly what happened when a teacher allegedly abused their autistic children, and they’ve filed a lawsuit. Hear them recount the painful details of the alleged abuse. What are their chances of winning in court? Share your thoughts here."

Max the Bear Wrote:
I think we could slap the crap out of Dr. Phil today, and trust he will fully earn it tomorrow...



one lump or two? Tongue

and well I am a evil aspie but is that to do with my autism?

someone should make a plan

how about max you run on set and beat the sh*t out of him and I'll flour bomb him from above? Big Grin

is this the first time he's slung this kind of B.S or has he done it before?

also is he involved with CAN or autism speaks and other so-called "charities"/ facist cults ?

you know what is funny?  I have been in 2 abusive relationships with NTs before I met my aspie and I think what drew him to me most was his non violent tendensies - no matter what....

Do I think autism = violence?  Absolutely not!!!!!!!
and yes I am a NT so no I do not think they are all bad - just my luck of the draw....  I just hate generalization....[/i]
i'm with ya, but not all NTs are like that... i know you know that, but I just hate generalizations in genreal.     grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,, we are all people....  I'm a good person who wouldn't hurt....

matthe Wrote:
i watched dr phill yesterday but the show didnt seem to be about autism so i changed the chanel. maybe it wasnt aired here? did anyone actually see the whole thing? or is there any way i can get a transcript?


Here is a slide show thingy with quotes:

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/974

Youtube links anyone?

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You almost sound like you're gonna give up.
wonderful post, Luvpiggy.  And I agree.  Badgering the poor kid every waking moment is rather harsh. Even NT kids are known to need down time to relax and have their own thoughts.

luvpiggy Wrote:
My son does get violent sometimes, but it is because something is wrong, and he can't communicate.  It's never done to intentionally hurt others.


My cat does the same thing to me.  Water dish is low, food dish is low, poke me with her front claws.  What?  You expect me to meow, what do you think I am, a cat?

(That cat is not trying to hurt you.  She is a domesticated feral and she could if she wanted to.  She loves you, but she is hungry/thirsty.)

Bravesj858,

Actually, the kid is supposed to be the smartest on the block....but only to the point where the kid is'nt "too smart", or as a rather annoying person behind me at an event last night put it, "On the Nerd List".

violet_yoshi Wrote:

bravesj858 Wrote:

violet_yoshi Wrote:
I've been posting on the boards, and I agree with the me, me, me thing from the parents. I just posted a loooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg post about the issue. Saying the problem isn't the children. The problem is we live in a society that allows parents to act like martyrs. "I didn't realize having a child was a life-long commitment" "I thought my kid would be "perfect" and I could just kick them out of the house at 18 to start a life of their own" "What do you mean I have to possibly take care of this child for the rest of their life, that's so unfair to ME!"

As you can imagine, I already got 1 "You're not a parent, YOU don't understand ANYTHING post" I wonder what I'll get from this one. I would have more respect for someone who says, maybe I'm not fit to be a parent. Than someone who becomes a parent, and then realizes it's too much for them to handle. Either your someone capable of unconditional love or not. The parents who go on these shows, are showing the world that they are incapable of unconditional love. That they do have a condition to wether or not their child deserves love from them. That condition being their child is neurotypical.

These parents shouldn't get anymore pity-party shows dedicated to them. There should be shows about the parents who dedicate themselves to Autistic children. Real parents, who dedicate their life to their child, instead of whining about how having a child is causing suffering to them. Perhaps someone like me on the show, who says, these are parents to be admired. Parents who care about their children and love them for WHO THEY ARE. Not bear a grudge against them, for being BORN as something their parents DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE.

This is what happens when you baby-coddle these martyr parents. They and their martyr parent friends, get air time to talk about their suffering. So that these shows can get raitings from fellow martyr parents. All while the children are suffering, from having half-assed parents.


the ideal that is going around these days, especially among the wealthy is that kids are like their trophy objects of the parents self worth (i.e. if the child is the smartest on the block, it makes the parents look better).  growing up and trying to find self worth as a child is a disease.  not filling your day with all types of clubs and such mean that you're not committed.  if you're child doesn't impress the world and go to ivy league, then something is wrong with the parents.

so, if the child isn't typical, and needs more or a different type of caring, it is shunned as if their self worth was taken away with the dream of the trophy kid.  so many of these parents whine that they didn't get to do what they wanted to do for the kids (give them lessons, etc.).

we've had autistic kids all throughout history, but it's only recently, that autistic (and other special needs children) are looked at as solely burdens in the mainstream.  i think that in the 90's, when the ideal of having the trophy kid became popular (and why so many gen y'ers are going to be messed up) and filling up these kids to only work on these talents they have to make parents proud and have less time to themselves than ever, is when special needs kids became a big problem for the parents.  thankfully, my parents didn't push my days with endless clubs and such and let me have time for myself (i had club things like once a week though, which is fine).  but before the 90's, kids had alot more time to themselves and didn't care as much for their children to become their trophies.

now, it's the rule that we have to follow a checklist of sorts to raise a child and that when we reach 'kick out kids at 18', we're done caring for them.  i've heard alot of those types of parents from my peers in college that were not caring for them anymore after they finished college.  in many cultures and even dating back a few generations in america (and much of the western world), it was typical for 3-4 generations of families to be living under the same roof, and it would be a village taking care of each other, not just the mother and father taking care of their underage children.  it would be typical for the children to live under the parents roof until they died or got married, and even then some of them still live with the parents for family unity.  i think the reason this type of parenting is popular (the ones that whine about not having time to themselves) because they have grown accustomed to the checklist/trophy child rearing that society have brewed.

and i think that's also why autism speaks and the such messages got more popular in the past few years.  i think in 1977, autism speaks messages would have been thrown out by the public immediately instead of embraced as a savior by so many parents that want to kill off kids that they can't take care of by a checklist or see as a trophy.

great post, violent_yoshi, and i didn't mean to write this long of a post.


Very good post. I'm glad you, and other people on the board are agreeing with me. I expected to get alot of "You don't know what you're talking about, cause YOU aren't a parent!" reactions over this. I guess that's more something to be expected from the parents section of this forum.



I have to say aswell WELL DONE VIOLET-YOSHI!!!

kicking the curebies arse once again! Big Grin

For all reasons, flardox and TimB:

Let the 300 resolve these cases.  (I just like to say that when the topic is heated up, but this is just a test)
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