Aspies For Freedom

Actually, most people I know are more curious than judgeing when it comes to mental disorders. They want to know stuff and usually get very impressed if you come out and explain your own diagnoses. That is, if you do it in a fair way. Blaming ones issues on a diagnoses isn't the right way, people must take responsability for their actions.

I still don't get why there is a need to have that kind of a lable on everyone who's not autistic. I still think it seems pointless, they are just people with different personalitys etc. Why do they have to have this common lable?

People who use these terms often sound like they _want_ to point out that they are different, very common actually. It's kind of sad.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

OK, so now I've had quite enough of this. Marla, try replacing all the 'mental disorder' bits of your posts with 'black skin', or 'homosexuality', or 'femininity' and see if it makes fair reading. No? Then don't be surprised that many here find your posts aggravating.

When a group of people is sidelined by society for who they are, it is grossly unfair to suggest that the misery they feel is entirely their fault and would disappear if only they would go to therapy and learn to be like everyone else.

Mental disorder or WHATEVER, it is classified as a disability officially, I coud change to that word... and please, comparing these issues to racism and homosexuality.. dosn't work for me, it don't think it is the same sort of situation.

And I AM NOT saying it is anybodys fault, it's in the genes and we can't control them. But that doesn't meen that we are unable to improve, specially when it comes to taking care of oneself and relations. I'm not saying that anything should disappear and I do not like the expression "everyone else". But learning how to act, for exampel, in a way that isn't offensive or hurting is a good thing.

erkolos Wrote:

Marla Singer Wrote:

I do not like the expression "everyone else"

Get used to it.

I am used to it, people's been using it all my life. But I still think it is stupid..

erkolos Wrote:

The word is invented in in the autistic community and has entered scientific language. It is very broadly used in the autistic community while not so much in other autism-related communities which obviously don't have such a high need for such a word.

If you take away the word Neurotypical the autistic community would simply need a replacement with a similar meaning.

I said I think the expression "everyone else" is stupid, not neurotypical. I just don't understand how you (not you personally, but for those who do) can generalize that way... on things that are based on speculations and personal experienses.

Well I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough...

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Marla Singer Wrote:

I think it seems a bit odd and pointless to call everyone who's not autistic for NT and talking of them like a group, generalizing their way of thinking, acting, etc.

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It's so confusing. Please, give me answears.

To other AFF members: I think that we're getting a bit off track here - this was a genuine inquiry from someone unused to autistic culture, and sometimes there is a lot of catching up to do.

To Marla: Firstly, NT is used to describe a particular methodology of thought, just as terms like autistic, bipolar, schizophrenic, etc are used to describe other methodologies of thought. This isn't the same as saying NT's all think the same, as obviously no group of people think exactly the same.

I tend to agree that the term NT is quite often used to unfairly generalise, but this isn't the purpose of the word.

The term NT is useful because it gives a framework from which to discuss autism. For example, if hyperfocus is an autistic trait, then it follows that there is a group that has the inability to hyperfocus. In this way, there are things that you can say about NT's that are entirely correct, and using the word "neurotypical" makes it easy to discuss these differences. The only way that you could argue that the word neurotypical was useless was if you were arguing that all psychiatric labels were useless. I'd be the first to agree that there is some blurriness around the definition of all of these labels (including autism), but this does not make them useless.

Also, the word neurotypical as a group label lets people know to discuss differences on equal terms, as the only other way to put things is on a "problem" vs "no problem" level - which will never lead any sort of deeper understanding.

Thank you Smile I do understand why people use the wourd neurotypical when it comes to that kind of discussions. I just reacted when I saw some indiiduals using it in a different way, making opinions about some NTs seem like facts about how they really are. It seemed so judgeing.

But I do see the point of using the term like you explained.

erkolos Wrote:

Not that Marla is the someone who have done that...

done what?

erkolos Wrote:

Generlizing people with the word autistic.

No, I hope I have not

guardian001 Wrote:

I pose a question to you,marla.

visuallize the characterstics of the word 'autistics' and what do you see?

now do the same for 'nerd' or 'geek'

then 'normal teen'.

btw noero typical simply means in litral format this: Common Brain or Thought

I don't think I can... when I think of autistics I think of all the people I know who have some diagnoses onthe spectrum... and they are all different.

I don't like the word normal, but if I had to say something about 'normal teen' I'd probably think of mood swings, low self esteem, searching for who you are, naive thinking, etc.

Geek or nerd... hm. People who are really into something and who think that it makes them experts. Most of the guys who were called nerds or geeks thaught they were smarter than me and my friends just because we didn't brag about the things we knew and because we acted like we did (partying, being "bad", skipping school, being loud and bitchy, etc). And then they got all quiet when we wrote good essays, got good scores and had good arguments in discussions.

I found that rather funny

erkolos Wrote:

NT Syndrome:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...t+syndrome

erkolos Wrote:

Neurology apart from the norm...

Oh, the norm *big words*...Just take a ruler and measure people.
Everybody who is not between 168 and 182 cm tall is not normal.

O.o
would I fall under this category? I've ADD...idk much about the labels
that people put on one another... I tend to call things what they are...

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