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Marla Singer Wrote:
I think it seems a bit odd and pointless to call everyone who's not autistic for NT and talking of them like a group, generalizing their way of thinking, acting, etc.
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It's so confusing. Please, give me answears.


People like to put labels on others for all sorts of reasons.
Inferiority complexes, jealousy, witch-hunting, condescension and condemnent.
I cant think of many positives.
And yes it is ironic.

shamshir1218 Wrote:
Marla, no offense, but you are a fool if you are perplexed by us!  Can you even grasp these kind of things?  And if you have an aspie boyfriend and you value your relationship with him, I suggest that you should research and learn before shouting at your mouth!


:lol:
I like how bigotted people say things like, " im not a racist, but ...", then spew a load of racism.
Way to go on no offence.
btw youre an idiot.
( no offence of course, can you grasp what im saying, sorry i dont mean to condescend !)

shamshir1218 Wrote:
Remember this, Kosmonaut.  I can be a jerk to anyone.  Do you want me to be a jerk to you?  Forgive me for this, I have a sharp tongue.


So you say.
Maybe you try harder. You seem lukewarm.

btw you can find me at zomg or I2: you wont get banned for your sharp tongue there.
Also, video is better you can find me on YouTube, TehHoldSteady. But i will ignore any text based comments, for pussies really.
If you say so.
Thanks for clearing that one up.
Tongue
I like to credit people with intelligence.
Obviously, i sometimes overestimate people.
I dont mind though, i prefer it that way.
OK, so now I've had quite enough of this. Marla, try replacing all the 'mental disorder' bits of your posts with 'black skin', or 'homosexuality', or 'femininity' and see if it makes fair reading. No? Then don't be surprised that many here find your posts aggravating.

When a group of people is sidelined by society for who they are, it is grossly unfair to suggest that the misery they feel is entirely their fault and would disappear if only they would go to therapy and learn to be like everyone else.
Whats so wrong about having Black skin ?
It was a rhetorical question.
The answer is nothing, try and remember there are some people with mental disorders. There is no need to call them racist.

Marla Singer Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
OK, so now I've had quite enough of this. Marla, try replacing all the 'mental disorder' bits of your posts with 'black skin', or 'homosexuality', or 'femininity' and see if it makes fair reading. No? Then don't be surprised that many here find your posts aggravating.

When a group of people is sidelined by society for who they are, it is grossly unfair to suggest that the misery they feel is entirely their fault and would disappear if only they would go to therapy and learn to be like everyone else.


Mental disorder or WHATEVER, it is classified as a disability officially, I coud change to that word... and please, comparing these issues to racism and homosexuality.. dosn't work for me, it don't think it is the same sort of situation.


And of course, it was not your comparison.
Good luck in changing peoples' bigotry.

Marla Singer Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Marla Singer Wrote:
I think it seems a bit odd and pointless to call everyone who's not autistic for NT and talking of them like a group, generalizing their way of thinking, acting, etc.

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It's so confusing. Please, give me answears.


To other AFF members: I think that we're getting a bit off track here - this was a genuine inquiry from someone unused to autistic culture, and sometimes there is a lot of catching up to do.

To Marla: Firstly, NT is used to describe a particular methodology of thought, just as terms like autistic, bipolar, schizophrenic, etc are used to describe other methodologies of thought. This isn't the same as saying NT's all think the same, as obviously no group of people think exactly the same.

I tend to agree that the term NT is quite often used to unfairly generalise, but this isn't the purpose of the word.

The term NT is useful because it gives a framework from which to discuss autism. For example, if hyperfocus is an autistic trait, then it follows that there is a group that has the inability to hyperfocus. In this way, there are things that you can say about NT's that are entirely correct, and using the word "neurotypical" makes it easy to discuss these differences. The only way that you could argue that the word neurotypical was useless was if you were arguing that all psychiatric labels were useless. I'd be the first to agree that there is some blurriness around the definition of all of these labels (including autism), but this does not make them useless.

Also, the word neurotypical as a group label lets people know to discuss differences on equal terms, as the only other way to put things is on a "problem" vs "no problem" level - which will never lead any sort of deeper understanding.


Thank you Smile I do understand why people use the wourd neurotypical when it comes to that kind of discussions. I just reacted when I saw some indiiduals using it in a different way, making opinions about some NTs seem like facts about how they really are. It seemed so judgeing.

But I do see the point of using the term like you explained.


Isn't it funny, really, to realise that in a lot of ways we are so similar? We get dreadfully upset too, when people use 'autistic' in a different way, making opinions about us seem like facts about how we really are. It, too, seems so judgemental.

Ya know, at least Louise had facts and figures.

Max the Bear Wrote:

Ian Wrote:
Ya know, at least Louise had facts and figures.


And now she's had a lobotomy and it calls itself Kosmo.

It prides itself on a "sharp tongue"... as if a sharp lounge in the service of a dull wit is anything of consequence.



A sharp tongue when used by a dull wit, is about as deadly as an unloaded gun.

I thought that but I decided not to mention it ;p

Sometimes the truth has to be withheld.

M Wrote:


Thank you! I have bookmarked the site, it has many wonderful definitions! I particularly liked:

DSN-IV (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of 'Normal' Disorders) Wrote:

Psychotic Disorders

669.xx Psychiatry Disorder
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.......Onset & Prognosis

.......The incidence of psychiatry seems to peak around thirty years of age in both sexes, but some cases may appear later, and a few slightly earlier (though rarely before twenty-five years of age). Despite many references to "child psychiatrists," there has never been any evidence of a child practicing psychiatry; it appear that "child psychiatrists" are simply adult psychiatrists that primarily victimize children.

Psychiatry is a very dangerous disorder, and often resistant to reason. Further, the prognosis is quite poor, with the disorder usually lasting for decades, and recovery very rarely complete - often, the best recovery that can be hoped for is a remission into the retired state. Thus, in many cases, the best thing to do with psychiatrists is simply to avoid them.......

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