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Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071203/hl_n...s_57VJRIF?

And the story:

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CHICAGO (Reuters) - Fever can temporarily unlock autism's grip on children, a finding that could shed light on the roots of the condition and perhaps provide clues for treatment, researchers reported on Monday.

It appears that fever restores nerve cell communications in regions of the autistic brain, restoring a child's ability to interact and socialize during the fever, the study said.

"The results of this study are important because they show us that the autistic brain is plastic, or capable of altering current connections and forming new ones in response to different experiences or conditions," said Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, a pediatric neurologist at Baltimore's Kennedy Krieger Institute, who was one of the study authors.

The study, published in the journal Pediatrics, was based on 30 children with autism aged 2 to 18 who were observed during and after a fever of at least 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit.

More than 80 percent of those with fever showed some improvements in behavior during it and 30 percent had dramatic improvements, the researchers said. The change involved things like longer concentration spans, more talking, improved eye contact and better overall relations with adults and other children.

Zimmerman's team said the fever effect had been noted anecdotally in the past by parents and doctors.

Lee Grossman, president and chief executive officer of the Autism Society of America, said he had noticed it in his own son, who is now 20.

But he noted in an interview that the study's authors said expanded research was needed on the fever effect and its implications. "It's good that they've noticed this and are bringing it forward," he said.

People with autism spectrum disorders suffer in varying degrees from limited social interactions, lack of verbal and non-verbal communication and other abilities.

As many as 1.5 million Americans have some form of autism, according to ASA. It is not known what causes the condition.

Zimmerman said that while there currently is no definitive medical treatment, speech and language therapy started as soon as possible after diagnosis "can make a significant difference."

He called the fever research, headed by colleague Laura Curran, "an exciting lead" that could help point the way to a treatment that would reconnect the autistic brain. He said the fever effect was believed found only in children, whose brains are more "plastic" than those of adults.


Thoughts?

Lucie1 Wrote:

Simen Wrote:
Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071203/hl_n...s_57VJRIF?

And the story:

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"The results of this study are important because they show us that the autistic brain is plastic, or capable of altering current connections and forming new ones in response to different experiences or conditions," said Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, a pediatric neurologist at Baltimore's Kennedy Krieger Institute, who was one of the study


Thoughts?

This jumps out at me - everyones brains are capable of plasticity - the way this is written seems to indicate that this is new information and pertainable only to people with autism.  Maybe I am being too critical, not sure.


Well, supposing this holds, it may mean that with the right stimulus, the brain can help regrow or mend any disconnects or variations that hinder autistics from achieving the social potential of NTs. It would be a golden middle way between curing autism and preserving autistic culture, indivuality or whatever.

But personally I'm skeptical that a scant few hours, or even days, is enough to re-grow or mend or whatever all the machinery in the brain that NTs have that autistics lack or have variations in. It all seems to fast and miraculous to me. But we'll see.

No, I wouldn't think that's it. Here's a comment grabbed from another site (http://science.reddit.com/info/6218a/comments/):

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It breaks my heart just to imagine the pain of having your autistic child suddenly improve in their ability to relate to you, only to have it slip away once the fever went down. On the other hand, having my 27-year-old brother recognize me for the first time in our lives might be worth the subsequent pain.


Although I don't think anyone should be spreading false hope. I don't think helping someone who can't even recognize their closest relatives to understand a little bit more of the social world is bad, nor is it a forced assimilation into "sheep culture".

Of course, noticing your Tongue, I dunno how serious you were.

Interesting, one thing it makes come to mind is that my body temperature is abnormally low.  I charted my temperature once to keep track of my fertility and found that my "high" temperature was always less than what the book said the normal "low" should be.  I am usually 97.1-97.5.  I used many thermometers and always got the same results.
That's funny. I also have a low natural body temperature -- usually below 36 degrees celsius (google can tell you how much that is in fahrenheit or kelvin or whatever).
My normal temp is 1 degree below most people, 97.6 F.  I don't remember what my blood pressure is other than that it is so low that whenever a nurse checks it, she always goes to get a different cup thinking the first one must be broken.  Smile  

I dont remember a fever ever making me feel more like anything other than being grouchy or whiny and going to bed.

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On the other hand, having my 27-year-old brother recognize me for the first time in our lives might be worth the subsequent pain.


Even if he doesnt like you?  Tongue

It's not an archaic method, someone discovered an effect, so they did a study on it. There's nothing to suggest anyone will induce fever on anyone as a treatment method.

silky Wrote:

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On the other hand, having my 27-year-old brother recognize me for the first time in our lives might be worth the subsequent pain.


Even if he doesnt like you?  Tongue


Okay wait.  Did I just screw up?  Now I'm confused. You told Simon that was supposed to be a joke, right?

silky Wrote:

silky Wrote:

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On the other hand, having my 27-year-old brother recognize me for the first time in our lives might be worth the subsequent pain.


Even if he doesnt like you?  Tongue


Okay wait.  Did I just screw up?  Now I'm confused. You told Simon that was supposed to be a joke, right?


I'm not sure what was supposed to be a joke. That quote is one I plucked from another site.

Uh, okay. I apologize if it wasn't a joke.  I'll just hush now.

violet_yoshi Wrote:

Simen Wrote:
It's not an archaic method, someone discovered an effect, so they did a study on it. There's nothing to suggest anyone will induce fever on anyone as a treatment method.


Uh-huh. We're talking about curbies here, they'll try ANYTHING to cure their child. Even if it is inherently deblitating on it's own accord.


I trust police and courts won't allow that. You can't do that to NT children, so why should you be allowed to do it with autists?

nathanww Wrote:

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You can't do that to NT children, so why should you be allowed to do it with autists?


Uh, because autism is viewed as a disease while neurotypicalism is not. Think JRC. Do you honestly think that they would be allowed to use GEDs on NT kids?


Um, what are GEDs?

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
how much stupid parents are willing to pay for dubious stuff that promises them their imaginary child instead of their real one; and, therefore, how much the quacks will charge for it.


The word "desperate" is sometimes used instead of "stupid" but I love how you summed that up so eloquently.

Lucie1 Wrote:

woman from mars Wrote:
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" Explain it? "..." move on " = contradiction.

' No intervention at all ' can also alter the plasticity of the brain:-

I apologise if my words seemed contradictory - I was moving on in my mind - I was wanting to make another point. ....I don't know how else I can explain.
Agreed - with your second remark above - that was a point I was trying make (maybe poorly)- the neural landscape of the brain is altered through our environment, through education, through life experience and  through medications that impact on the brain. Prozac has the potential to permanantly change the neural landscape of the brain due to brain plasticity.
I know people who have strokes / brain haemorhages (sp?) can recover function due to the plasticity of the brain - the brain is able to accomodate and lay down new neural pathways.
The idea that the brain had more plasticity when fever was present was interesting to me from the perspective of research. I would not consider for one moment inducing fever in children.


I hope I haven't added to any offense I may have already caused, I am just trying to explain.


You seem to imply that people with Asperger's have brain damage, this is not yet conclusively proven.

Either way I have had a lot of problems with you in the past and I still believe you are two-faced in ways that many members haven't yet seen.  I suppose I'll take criticism from you for the personal attack, but anyone who frequently says one thing and means another--and *enjoys* manipulation--should be outed on it, so that others don't fall victim.  There's no misunderstanding here, just a lot of experience and observation of your treatment of others here.  Your innocence is made out of plastic, to be quite frank about it.

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