Aspies For Freedom

Odd....personally, if I'm sick enough to have a fever, I feel even less like socializing than usual....

Maybe kids who are sick are more likely to be compliant (not having the extra energy to behave otherwise) and therefore seem "better" to the NTs around them.

Hopefully this won't evolve into quacks purposely inducing high temperatures in kids in an attempt to "reconnect" their brains.

This jumps out at me - everyones brains are capable of plasticity - the way this is written seems to indicate that this is new information and pertainable only to people with autism.  Maybe I am being too critical, not sure.

Uh oh!  I can just imagine it now...


  
"Take 200 of these and call me in the morning."


(Too much sugar will give you fever.  Cookies contain lots of sugar.)

Are your pulse rates slow?

Hate to say this, as I don't want to offend the OP... but I think this is almost laughable.

I think you posted an interesting bit of research, though the article itself was poorly written.
The idea of using the plasticity of the brain to develop further coping skills is interesting.

I don't know why you included my quote in with your skit - I don't understand the link. I would you to explain it.

Any way - to move on - brain plasticity doesn't just occur when fever is present - neural pathway development occurs in response to different stimuli - one of the stimuli being drugs. Drugs will alter the neural landscape of the brain.

education will do the same thing.

I shall explain. The 'poorly written' (your description) article suggested that, during a fever, an autistic child's behaviour appears to be more neurotypically sociable.

And Simen stated the obvious that the article had ignored:

He then went on to say:

(My emphasis)

Then you said:

That you found this 'interesting' rather than bizarre got me thinking about how, exactly, the alleged extra learning ability during fever might be taken advantage of, hence the amusing (I hope) idea for a 'Social Skills SWAT Team' that could rush to the home of a feverish child and instill 'coping skills' while the brain is 'plastic'. Would they forbid the use of paracetamol to reduce the fever? Or antibiotics to treat the infection?

Does this explanation annoy you? I hope so, because your suggestion that we should drug our kids to make them more normal sure as hell annoyed me.

This is a site for people who think that being autistic, of itself, isn't a fraction of the problems we face; which are almost exclusively generated by bigots like yourself smiling sweetly at us whilst stabbing us in the back.

Can you not see how dreadfully rude you are being whenever you back up some quack research that tries to reinforce the idea that we are somehow 'normal' people 'trapped inside autism'?

You misunderstand me completely. The way you speak to me now - comes across as an attack. I don't deserve this.

I did not suggest drugging anyones kids.

I did not recommend trying to teach feverish children coping skills.

I did not  suggest trying to make anyones kids more normal.

I said "the study was interesting". Four words.


And for these words you call a bigot.

I am accused of stabbing people in the back,

I am told I am rude.

I struggle awfully in social situations, I have undiagnosed aspergers - I have a very precious son diagnosed with aspergers.

I take medication to help me to cope with my anxiety levels so that I can get ahead in life.

All I said was the study was interesting, that is all I said. It is from small investigative studies like this that research develops. I am open to learning new knowledge.

Your attack is unfounded and unfair.

Your response doesn't annoy me, it saddens me.

Not an attack - a defense. You had a go about me quoting you in a perfectly harmless way.

No, you said:

Please tell me how this is not recommending drug research? Especially to any curebie who might be browsing this site?

A quote from the beginning of the OP:

Therefore, in your words, 'using the plasticity of the brain to develop further coping skills' can only take place during the fever.

Perhaps a careful reading of replies before they are posted will prevent future misunderstandings.

If there is a different way of reading what you originally posted I will stand corrected and apologise. I am afraid that to me it just came on top of a whole lot of posts (that I may have misinterpreted) and I blew a fuse. (Please re-read what you originally wrote and see why it can be seen as offensive).

Perhaps reading your words literally was more than you intended, or perhaps you meant what you said; you aren't the only one here who struggles with social cues, and they are completely invisible on the internet. Calling you a bigot was rude and I apologise. Sorry.

[quote=Lucie1All I said was the study was interesting, that is all I said. It is from small investigative studies like this that research develops. I am open to learning new knowledge.

Your attack is unfounded and unfair.

Your response doesn't annoy me, it saddens me.
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The study to you was interesting. To me it was irritating bunk. We do not need research going up potentially dangerous back-alleys like this. We have already seen how far people are prepared to torture kids (to death) in order to get compliance. We need research into ways of educating people to accept the whole range of neurologies as 'normal', not just a few.

Curious, but how do you know all this--and do you have a career in science or at least something that requires stronger-than-average intellect?

I'll be honest, I get quite jealous when I see very erudite writings such as this on AFF, and makes me wonder where that "Asperger package of Math, Science, and academia" went... because I don't have it.

I am very happy to consider anyones opinion.

Tigger ruined it when she called me rude, a bigot and accused me of stabbing people in the back.

I am not prepared to discuss anything with anyone who abuses me and puts me down.

I apologise if my words seemed contradictory - I was moving on in my mind - I was wanting to make another point. ....I don't know how else I can explain.
Agreed - with your second remark above - that was a point I was trying make (maybe poorly)- the neural landscape of the brain is altered through our environment, through education, through life experience and  through medications that impact on the brain. Prozac has the potential to permanantly change the neural landscape of the brain due to brain plasticity.
I know people who have strokes / brain haemorhages (sp?) can recover function due to the plasticity of the brain - the brain is able to accomodate and lay down new neural pathways.
The idea that the brain had more plasticity when fever was present was interesting to me from the perspective of research. I would not consider for one moment inducing fever in children.


I hope I haven't added to any offense I may have already caused, I am just trying to explain.

Good science is about discovery - how we use science is is bounded by consideration of ethic's and politics. ( in my mind anyway)