What's with all the aspie supremacy lately?
I think with many people it's much easier to see problems with NT culture, because we live in one - if an Aspie or Autistic culture sprung up, I'm sure that there'd be problems too, just ones we haven't thought of. Plus it's tempting for many people to adopt a "superiority" mindset as a counter to discrimination.
In the end, regardless of neurotype, people have to be looked at as people. Some people are good to be around, some people are jerks - and this is true of every neurotype.
I thought this site was for the next generation of aspies; but it ap[pears that this is just another example of wrongplanet.net, where we should all cry and grieve because we are not NTs? yuk no thanks!
What part of equal do you not understand?
I, and most others on the site, are damn proud to be on the spectrum. It doesn't mean that we have to say we're "better" than NT's - just that we're entirely happy to be who we are.
I think there can be High-IQ NTs, and that's just my opinion.
Agreed. I think that neurotypes have to be about thought processes, not about skill levels.
If you found a way that genius level people had a different "type" or "method" of thought, that would indicate a new neurotype. If they use the same process as NT's, and just happen to have skill in a particular area, that would indicate that they were NT, regardless of their IQ.
I thought this site was for the next generation of aspies; but it ap[pears that this is just another example of wrongplanet.net, where we should all cry and grieve because we are not NTs? yuk no thanks!
Woah, wait a minute. I may not be following this whole conversation correctly, but I am suspecting a miscommunication here. I saw nothing in this thread from anyone that implied that "We should all cry and grieve because we are not NT's".
I do not wave the "asperger flag" so to speak... it would be another example of me letting the NT world know i am unique and different. so, ok, if we are in an NT world, does that mean i need to address to the whole world that i am different than them? whats the point of that? i think THEY are weird, not me! so maybe all NTs should point out that they are NTs?
In my opinion, trying to tell people how different you are kind of makes you look like an attention ***. So no, there is really no need to tell people that you are different, just live and learn. And if you were different enough, people would notice.
As for the point that you made in the first post, I disagree. Being aspie doesn't make you better or worse than NT's. I can't really describe how right now, since that I could fall asleep any minute now, so I'll leave you with a quote from a good friend of mine: "I don't care what people slap on their faces or think they know. I'm ugly, and so are you. When people realize this, I will cease being bitter."
(and for those that have trouble knowing how to analyze figures of speech, "I'm ugly, and so are you" = "We are all bad")
To clarify a few points:
I have seen just as many aspie sheep as i've seen NT sheep, the difference is that the aspie sheep like to obsess over how to grow wool, while the NTs do so without thinking. In this sense you could argue the aspies are the superior sheep (they think about their sheepness), but they're sheep nonetheless. However, those who aren't sheep are most certainly not NT, though they may not be on the spectrum either.
Are you seriously suggesting you can't have a normal neurology and not be a sheep? That's got to be the stupidest thing I ever heard.
It's true that NT's would have trouble if things were reversed, but that does not mean they are inferior.
It's true that NT's would have trouble if things were reversed, but that does not mean they are inferior.
Yep, that was exactly my point - we're not inferior or superior, we just are.
I think it's important to not that using social osmosis doesn't necessarily equate to a "sheep" mentality - for instance, social osmosis from a source considered to be a negative one will actually have the opposite effect - creating an anticulture to society.
Also, a herd instinct is only one instinct - a powerful one, but still only one. NT's can also be effected by experience and logic.
To clarify a few points:
I have seen just as many aspie sheep as i've seen NT sheep, the difference is that the aspie sheep like to obsess over how to grow wool, while the NTs do so without thinking. In this sense you could argue the aspies are the superior sheep (they think about their sheepness), but they're sheep nonetheless. However, those who aren't sheep are most certainly not NT, though they may not be on the spectrum either.
Sorry but I got lost after the first sentence.
Could you explain it in ...erh...short sentences ?
well;could you define elitists?
But it's human nature...and since we are human (as we beg the media to be) then we get all the *** baggage attact to it.
We are human beings first.
Neurotype is secondary to this & all humans differ in their neurology.
We have developed sub groups of people for differing reasons over millions of years, this doesn't make any one group superior or inferior than another.
We are different, but this gives us no right to consider ourselves in anyway superior to anyone else, or any other group of people. Ultimately we are all dependent upon each other, therefore we must be equal & have equal worth.
Each & every one of us needs diversity in order for the human race to survive, develop & grow.
We are human beings first.
Neurotype is secondary to this & all humans differ in their neurology.
We have developed sub groups of people for differing reasons over millions of years, this doesn't make any one group superior or inferior than another.
We are different, but this gives us no right to consider ourselves in anyway superior to anyone else, or any other group of people. Ultimately we are all dependent upon each other, therefore we must be equal & have equal worth.
Each & every one of us needs diversity in order for the human race to survive, develop & grow.
*clapclapclap*
Claiming everyone is equal is false - someone will always be better than you at something and thus superior, we are not all equal, but we do deserve equal rights.
Remember that equality means "same" - many curebie parents turn to chelation et al in the name of equality. Equal rights, but not complete equality.
I agree that we can't all be equal, but I believe do have equal worth.
The 'lowly' poorly paid members of society are of equal value as the better paid, in our society without them we would not enjoy the comforts we do. I wish that they could earn a living wage without the need to juggle several jobs, or live in poverty.
I am much better at some things than many others, but most others are much better than me at different things, this doesn't make any of us superior to each other, it's the skills / knowlege & the use to which the skills / knowledge are put which are superior.
In my view the same applies equally to AS & NT.
