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http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/11/20...r-high-iq/

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November 20, 2007

Stop thinking you’ll get by on your high I.Q.


My son’s I.Q. is in the top .05% of all preschoolers, but he attended preschool in a special education classroom. He has Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of autism typified by a distinctly high I.Q. and a notable lack of emotional intelligence. Asperger’s is thought to be genetic, and it is surging among kids in places like Silicon Valley, that attract math and tech geniuses who often have sub-par social skills.

We know one boy with Asperger’s who taught himself to read books when he was two years old. Scientists surmise that learning to read books so fast consumes the part of his brain that should be learning to read social cues.

My son’s special education classroom was full of kids like that one — who used to pass through the education system labeled eccentric geniuses, only to graduate having never learned social skills and consequently falter in adulthood.

Today, educators take a child’s lack of social skills seriously. Parents should also. For educators, any nonverbal learning disability (like not being able to tell if someone cares about what you are talking about) is treated as significantly as a verbal learning disability (like not being able to speak.) Yet I am stunned by how many parents brush aside recommendations from educators to get help for their children by saying to themselves, “My child is so smart.”

Smart is not an endgame. Even in a toddler.

To understand why, look to the workplace. After where you go to school, social skills are the most important factor in whether you succeed or fail. I link to this research all the time, but frankly, if you need research to understand that the people who are best at office politics succeed at the office, then you are missing basic social cues already.

But here’s more evidence: Nine out of ten business schools consider communication and interpersonal skills “highly underrated as a differentiating factor for students,” according to CareerJournal. And Jeff Puzas at PRTM echos a cacophony of workplace voices when he says,  ”Most of what I do every day as a management consultant has to do with interpersonal skills, not my I.Q.”

And when you think about someone finding his way to success in the real world, consider the Wall St. Journal’s list of the traits that recruiters look for in business school candidates:

Communication and interpersonal skills    

Original and visionary thinking

Leadership potential                                  

Ability to work well within a team

Analytical and problem-solving skills

Notice that most of these skills are independent of intelligence. Smart is even less of an endgame for adults than children-and the standard for ability to work well with others is only getting higher, not lower: Generation Y is more team-oriented than prior generations.

So, it’s time for us to stop making excuses for poor social skills and start taking the problem as seriously as educators do. It’s painful for both children and adults who cannot navigate social settings. Kids sit on the sidelines on the playground; adults can’t maintain close relationships. It’s a limited life and it’s limited in the area where people have an inherent need to thrive.

I sense that people are going to argue with me here, but please consider that all the positive psychology research points to the fact that work does not make people happy. Relationships do. But we see the history of people with Asperger’s - Einstein, Mozart, John Forbes Nash - they did amazing work but could not maintain stable, intimate relationships.

Parents: Stop pretending that your child’s I.Q. matters more than their social skills. Get treatment for your child as soon as a professional recommends it. Respect that the risk of not being able to transition to the work world is significant, and so is the risk of waiting to see if your child will fail despite being brilliant.

Human beings learn social skills best at a very young age, when their brain is still forming. So celebrate that the government provides free training for children lacking social skills by using it. Start studying the playground. Respect what often seems insignificant to parents with small children-diagnoses of speech delay or disorder, and diagnoses of sensory integration, for example. Those issues threaten future development of social skills.

As an adult, one of the hardest parts of having low emotional intelligence is that you don’t realize it. People who are missing the cues have no idea they are missing them. So the most unable often have the least understanding of where they fall in the spectrum.

I’m going to tell you something harsh: If your career is stuck, it’s probably because of poor social skills. People who don’t know what they want to do with themselves but have good social skills don’t feel stuck, they feel unsure. People who are lacking social skills feel like they have nowhere to go.

Lost people feel possibilities. Stuck people do not feel possibilities. Ask yourself which you are. And if you feel suck, stop looking outside yourself to solve the problem. You need to change how you interact with people.

Another idea for how to figure out where you fall in the social skills spectrum is to take a self-diagnostic test. Here is one at Wired magazine about Aperger’s, and here is one about emotional intelligence. Or give a test to the people you work with - a 360-degree review will tell you in no uncertain terms if you are being held back because people don’t like you.

Hold it. Did you just say, “If people don’t like me maybe it’s their fault!” Forget it. People with good social skills can get along with just about everyone.

So help your kids to form intimate relationships with peers, and help yourself, too. In fact, as an adult you can learn how to compensate for lack of social skills by watching how schools are teaching the kids to do it.

Pay attention. Because when it comes to our job - no matter what our job is - it’s the relationships that make us happy, not the work. That’s why I.Q. doesn’t matter.

What's the point of life when you can't follow a passion because social skills training got in the way? Social skills training programs obviously takes alot of time, and I'm not sure how helpfull they really are.

It kind of feels like this article wants to put it that persuing one's own interests is worthless for aspies if they don't have these interaction skills.

It is however a problem when we can't advocate for ourself, or if we act inappropriately somehow. I don't know how well these social skills training programs for children attack such problems, but I know that if having someone else to advocate for you, someone whom you trust who tells you when you've acted inappropriately, can be very helpfull.

Simen Wrote:
There are a number of smaller nitpicks, such as calling Einstein, Mozart and Nash (who wasn't autistic but schizophrenic) aspies when there is evidence or consensus for it.

Remember that this could only be called an opinion. That these people were or were not autistic is infalsifiable.

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I’m going to tell you something harsh: If your career is stuck, it’s probably because of poor social skills. People who don’t know what they want to do with themselves but have good social skills don’t feel stuck, they feel unsure. People who are lacking social skills feel like they have nowhere to go.

That part seems so true about me. I'm in that exact situation at work.

Batman55 Wrote:

Simen Wrote:
It's simply saying that it would be in aspies' best interest to know social skills, as that, for better or worse, is what makes society tick.


Are you really saying one stupid article knows what's in an Aspie's best interest?

Some of us do not want social skills training--I agree, if it works, it would be useful.   But the problem is I do not change myself to fit anyone else's idea of "sociable."  That is fundamentally against my approach--I think people should be who and what they are.

You might then argue that successful social skills training would simply give you tools that you could turn on and off at will, and would not change you.  But I digress.


Hey guess what else ticks? Yes, that's right - a timebomb. If we continually have to repress our true selves to fit into what society considers we should be like, we build up a lot of resentment and frustration and it eventually comes out one way or another.

Not that trying to become normal makes you a bad person.
It's:

learning social skills which probably includes frustrations

vs.

lotsa time that could be spent on other things

I think there's a balance.

It's a shame when aspies are held behind in school and their interests because they have to use so much time on these programs, which Temple Grandin actually says is pretty much the truth in many cases today.
I'll confess--I was happier after I figured out how to do the social interaction thing better.  It took reading Dale Carnegie "How to win friends and influence people" and basic listening skills classes. Some aspies don't want much social interaction, and some do.  I fell into the latter class, so was motivated to try and understand better how I could work with and get along with people.  And I'm now grateful that I took that step in my 20s.
As I've said on this topic, and several other topics, I think there's a balance.

I'm often forced into groupwork that I don't want to. Teachers and parents say that I have to learn to interact with others if I ever were to manage a work environment.

However,

Groupwork always end in failure and bad feelings from the other group members against me, always cause alot of frustration, and basically makes me hate school.

So what do I really gain from group work?

I would probably benefit from learning social interaction somehow, but group work can obviously not be it at this point of time, because I simply can't handle it.
I am SO glad that I didn't have to do group work in school when I was growing up. I feel for you Erkelos.
Wow, I guess education has really changed since I was in school.  The only group work I remember was having a lab partner for chemistry my senior year in high school.  When I was a TA, though, I'd run group help sessions.  But people didn't have to come. I didn't really encounter group work until science grad school--but even then, we each had individual projects that were part of larger projects. I'm in a situation now where I have to try and encourage about seven people who are working on related projects to talk with each other.  It's a challenge.

GuessWho Wrote:
Not completely.  There is always going to be some element of conformity on the job, and yes, that includes uncomfortable clothes (starched shirts, pressed clothes, shined shoes).  But will not let the NTs off the hook.

Starched shirts? Are you serious? Do you have to wear starched shirts where you work? I thought that kind of thing went out with the dinosaurs.

Seriously, due to sensory issues, any job that involvs wearing hot, tight, uncomfortable clothes would have to be ruled out. How do men stand wearing heavy dark suits and ties when it is hot out?

The premise of the article is correct.

In the workplace, having a high IQ isn't enough.  I have a high IQ but socially and emotionally I'm a retard, I have a low EQ.

There's no way I'm ever going to achieve a management post in my career, because I simply don't have the people skills to function in that kind of role.  I can best function in roles that are task orientated.

I have a friend who says he finds my intelligence quite intimidating, he thinks I'm out of his league intellectually.  But then again, I'm quite envious because he's one of those people who obviously has a very high EQ, he's very good with people, he's very empathetic.

Having a high IQ doesn't mean that you have a high EQ to match or vice versa.  And it is true to say that having a high EQ is probably more important in management roles than a high IQ.  You have to be able to deal with inter-personal relationships, which are all tied up in office politics, and if you have an impairment when it comes to that, your career is likely to be more limited than that of someone with those learned skills/innate talents.
I don't like it when people try to take away from our having High IQ. It seems they are often jealous. I wasn't aware of how deep and far reaching that jealousy could be and how much bullying was inspired by envy for something I didn't usually think much about.

On the other hand, I used to envy the women who could speak easily to men and who were good at organising events.

I guess most of us wish we had some skill or quality that we see in others. I'm told this is more of a male trait, but much of my sense of self-worth is tied up in being intelligent, so taking that away is a major assault of my self-image.
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