Aspies For Freedom

'ey Wilky!

I'm not sure if it is you who originally wrote this, but Amy and Gareth do infact parent a son who is severely disabled, not sure if it was autism though.

I think alot of the Autism Hub don't think of Gareth and Amy's opinion as moderate, but they should definitely get kudos for contributing to an emerging community.

I am kind of not against a "cure", because I'm not sure exactly what that would be and what function it would have. I just don't think that autism itself is much of an important medical question today, and that seeking something to change autistic people into something they are not is not the best way to help them.

Maybe that is because of how I see autism, like, I don't see any direct link between the exclusive problems autistic people tend to meet and "autism". For me, stress from social interaction is a part of being autistic just as hunger from not eating is a part of being human.

I'm not sure what wilky feels about John Best specifically, what he did to Kevin Leitch's daughter was disgusting, and I haven't figured what other things his blog stands for except hate against people who support neurodiversity.

He posed as her in comments and made fun of her at his blog. Kevin Leitch closed down Left Brain/Right Brain for the safety of his daughter.

John Best's latest post is indeed interesting and shows alot more maturity than what he's well-known for.

Ah! My son has NT'ism and spend too much time with friends! I want to cure his NT'ism!

Is autism the thing that cause some children to bite themselves? Maybe it is because they are human, maybe it is because they eat food, maybe it is because of the sun. If the sun disappeared or there were no food children would probably stop biting themselves, right?

I, personally, don't think "autism" is the first thing to attack if we wanted to stop self-injury, either the fact that we are human.

Who would want to seek a cure, and seek something to change us into neurotypicals in belief of that it would make problems go away?

Biting oneself is a problem, no doubt about it, but don't you think that there are better ways to spend one's time, energy and money than in a seek for a cure... of AUTISM, not self-biting, AUTISM.

Is self-injury and autism the same thing?

Autism, and not self-injury, I see as part of my identity, and I feel stabbed when someone say they want to cure autism, defeat autism...

Has John Best changed?

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Simen: I'm not sure whether I've ever seen you accept criticism against yourself.

I doubt Simen would see those comments as offensive, he's asking alot of "questions" which could seem very provoking when the answer is obvious but difficult to explain.

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erkolos Wrote:

I doubt Simen would see those comments as offensive, he's asking alot of "questions" which could seem very provoking when the answer is obvious but difficult to explain.

im really starting to think he's a troll

Not really...

rossco Wrote:

Those of you who have posted have a look a what you have written in this thread and see - in light of the post - whether any of those negative John Best traits can be accounted for in your own replies.

I think I'll do this.

erkolos Wrote:

I am kind of not against a "cure", because I'm not sure exactly what that would be and what function it would have. I just don't think that autism itself is much of an important medical question today, and that seeking something to change autistic people into something they are not is not the best way to help them.

Maybe that is because of how I see autism, like, I don't see any direct link between the exclusive problems autistic people tend to meet and "autism". For me, stress from social interaction is a part of being autistic just as hunger from not eating is a part of being human.

I think could have been offensive, I could have said that this is just how I feel about the topic regarding "curing", but I know that deep down it was really because I wanted to change someone's mind that I thought of as wrong.

erkolos Wrote:

John Best's latest post is indeed interesting and shows alot more maturity than what he's well-known for.

I guess this is indirectly offensive towards John, mostly against his appearance on the web however.

erkolos Wrote:

Ah! My son has NT'ism and spend too much time with friends! I want to cure his NT'ism!

Is autism the thing that cause some children to bite themselves? Maybe it is because they are human, maybe it is because they eat food, maybe it is because of the sun. If the sun disappeared or there were no food children would probably stop biting themselves, right?

I, personally, don't think "autism" is the first thing to attack if we wanted to stop self-injury, either the fact that we are human.

Same thing as my first post in this thread.

erkolos Wrote:

Who would want to seek a cure, and seek something to change us into neurotypicals in belief of that it would make problems go away?

Biting oneself is a problem, no doubt about it, but don't you think that there are better ways to spend one's time, energy and money than in a seek for a cure... of AUTISM, not self-biting, AUTISM.

Is self-injury and autism the same thing?

Autism, and not self-injury, I see as part of my identity, and I feel stabbed when someone say they want to cure autism, defeat autism...

I want to show that I acknowledge that many parents and autistics meet great difficultities, but this also abit of the first one.

erkolos Wrote:

Has John Best changed?

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[edit] broke this link, as it leads to a link to the Hating Autism blog [couldbecousin]

... as if he had changed from someone bad, but apparently hadn't.

"Anti-NT culture, Higher evolutionary beings, Aspies being intrinsically better than non-aspies, Aspies being the "voice" of ALL people on the spectrum, Aspergian isolated communities, Lack of understanding of parents of LFA's, Feeding stereotypes, autism vs aspie debates, ...and so it goes."

Must say that many of these things account for rather few of those who are serious about neurodiversity.

Well it makes it a whole lot difficult to not attack your person when you see your criticism as such a personal part of yourself.

GuessWho Wrote:

I am not really sure whether being heavy or being Aspie is the worse problem, or my problem.

Yesterday I was visiting a super-church (thousands of people) near a West Virginia college campus (my home church has only 50 people, and every so often an elderly person dies).  Anyway, one man, one woman (on video screens!) were taking turns reading off a list of members' dreams like "fill the Sunday schools (words mine)" and "fill the food pantry [sky high (words mine)]" and I added, in the back of my mind.....

        "reach out to all the people whose only real problem is being rejected, including by some Christians"

I am convinced, though, that waiting seven years after college (with grad school and VR and a career change) for a career and still waiting for a relationship IS A PROBLEM.

Anything that facilitates that is a SOLUTION.

Other than that, Asperger is a gift we can offer if other people will take it, and take us.

We can agree on that, right?

Wow that was real powerful!!!

wilky Wrote:

Autism, at it's most severe is a living nightmare for the individual child or adult, and advocating against a 'cure' is sheer ignorance and cruelty.

Amy and Gareth,
I sincerely hope that one day you will feel some shame for politicizing what is essentialy a serious debilitating condition, and indoctrinating your own belief system via propaganda and scaremongering vulnerable and troubled young adults and children on the autistic spectrum, who come to AFF for support and friendship from others like themselves.

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Could either of you honestly say you have any real experience of living with profound autism?

Considering I've lived with it all my life, yeah I know what living with it is... it means
1) being shunned by people who are sick and barbarically tribalistic
2) who believe in the stupidest *** imaginable (all the religions)
3) Being cut off from love, often for many years on end.
4) Not being able to intuitively infer or understand other peoples thoughts or feelings.
5) Not being able to know what to do next in social situations.
6) Constant rejection, prejudice and hate, for NO reason.

Real severe autism is a disease. Having aspergers is only a problem because we're outnumbered by people who are ignorant and barbaric. Not because we're "filthy and diseased". That's the problem with NT's like you (not I'm not speaking about all NT's, just like this guy)

Is that you and your god damn barbarian ape psychology. Can't forgive, can't forget, can't get over it stupid differences = barbaric

Living in this world is only a problem in a world full of lower cognitive feral beasts with no heart to speak of if a person doesn't submit to their idea of how the world ought to be, because they are lower down on the evolutionary food chain intellectually.

Aspies are like children in adult bodies and because they have adult bodies no one sees the parts that remain stuck in childhood.

The real problem is the world itself and the lack of time that market capitalism creates, many aspies could learn to socialize if they weren't

1) Have their ego's and self-concept beaten into oblivion by NT's growing up which
2) Makes many of them cowardly because of what happened at #1

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