You are cruel, cruel people. It sickens me that this is what AFF has come to; Crucifying an Aspie for not conforming to the group's ideals. Have you no shame? Read what you have wrote, and feel it then! You callously taunt and mock, and say vile, disgusting things and justify them with hatred.
I for one do not think I'm a neurobiological disorder. I am a person, a human being! I am not a disorder, I am a person! Is it fraud to be true to yourself? Is it a lie to want to be known not for a disorder, but for who you are as a person? I love a slow song, a sombre poem, a gorgeous moment in the dead of winter where the sky glistens with stars and the snow looks likes thousands of tiny crystals. I do love those thing, with all of my heart, me; not Aspergers.
You cannot see but black and white, and refuse to see anything more. If Wilky is not for you, then she is against you? Folly! By your own hatreds and lack of acceptance, you drive out those you once called brother and sister. By your own inability to be considerate to all Aspies, not just the ones you agree with, you make a haven into a hell. How many Aspies have you lost? How many have you driven out? What is Wilky railing against?
People come to AFF for support, for friendship, for community!
What is going on? AFF is not a haven, not anymore. It's a political thing, cold and uncaring. The members must follow the party line, or be cut loose.
When did we become a diosorder, and not a community? When did we follow out of necessity, rather than choice? When did we become disorders, and not people? Aspies have become more proud of their Aspergers than of themselves. We fear being cast out of our community, our friends, those we cherish and hold dear, because of political machinations.
We are people. We have families, pets, friends, possessions, toys, games, songs, goals, dreams, lives... We like to share a laugh or a joke, a song or a tear, our experiences and our stories. I love a good snowfall, another Aspie I know loves to create songs, and there's a Moderator here who's screen-name is that they like kittens. Are we a disorder, that we will no longer be without it? Or are we people, who make our own choices, walk our own paths, live our own lives? I am a person. I want to be known not for Aspergers, but for being who I am. I am not a disorder, but a person.
I am a brother. I am a friend. I am another person who is just like you.
We are people, not disorders.
Sorry, I can't mind-read. Could you tell me
(1) What you mean by "your response is exactly why you keep getting comments from other users"? Are you saying I shouldn't disagree with other users?
(2) What do you mean by, "can't reallt complain about it"?
no it is fine to disagree with other users but you put it in such a way that users get annoyed by your comments and think you are a "troll"
sorry i made a typo what i said was you can't really complain about about people making negative comments toward you if you are so synical towards them
I'm not really cynical, am I?
In this thread, I have only stated my opinions, plain and simple. If people take offense here, it's not because of form but content.
or maybe the way you have put it
Whoa there, perhaps her opinions are misguided, but I don't see how you can take these posts to the effect of "you all have no right to exist".
How come I am attacked for being critical, yet this passes for good discourse?
If you all really think this is such a lowly attack on some decent people, there's no reason to stoop to that level.
"stoop to that level" ?
Which is...what? Are you being held prisoner by evil anti-autists?
Where do you find this inference?
Also, no I haven't seen any videos of mothers that state they want to kill their children...But if there are such videos, I wonder why they haven't been used for identifying and apprehending the person. I wouldn't trust a child with a mother who has explicitly and publically stated her intent to kill it...would you?
Oh yes indeed. It's difficult to find the bare facts, since most everyone (no offense) here only ever writes in opinionated, passioned styles. Is there a bare-bones, just-the-facts-I'll-provide-the-opinions-myself guide to the evils of these "curebies" somewhere?
That's like saying a cure for cancer means people with cancer no longer existed. If you genuinely believe that autism is no different from cancer, a disease that can and should be removed to help improve the quality (or even prospects of) life, then I don't see how it's really so bad
oh yes simen you arent cynacal or offesive
you have just disproved your own point as woman from mars said autism is not a disease or a cancer
but know i want to ask YOU some questions
1.are you even autistic?
2. are you a supporter of john best?
now lets see him accuse me of being cynical and offensive !
I doubt Simen would see those comments as offensive, he's asking alot of "questions" which could seem very provoking when the answer is obvious but difficult to explain.
im really starting to think he's a troll
Why should it have ended the thread???
He won the competition of who could write the longest essay...
Let? Do you believe any parent would let that happen. Do you believe that we know every interaction, thought or feeling John has towards his child. Timelord I know has him all "worked" out and has hypothesised to ridiculous lengths to know all about John Best and his likes/dislikes/intentions. Truth is we don't know.
My boy used to be constipated and toilet training was a nightmare. He used to be in pain and discomfort. He used to fear the toilet. Was I a bad parent? Timelord would probably think so but how many kids has he got?
Do not take Timelord's articles at face value. We don't really know him at all.
Remember too that people often have differences of opinions on things and reasons and experiences to back their judgement. Pro-cure and autism rights are polar opposites. There are fanatics on both sides of people "along the spectrum" of opinion.
As much as I'm not a fan of John Bests work (meaning the blog, not his parenting), Timelord was an absolute nutjob when it came to John Best, and I don't think too many people here took him seriously at all.
to be honest i think timelord may have been a nutjob with everything have heard what he's doing to joker's blog becuase he disagreed with him about something?
Let? Do you believe any parent would let that happen. Do you believe that we know every interaction, thought or feeling John has towards his child. Timelord I know has him all "worked" out and has hypothesised to ridiculous lengths to know all about John Best and his likes/dislikes/intentions. Truth is we don't know.
My boy used to be constipated and toilet training was a nightmare. He used to be in pain and discomfort. He used to fear the toilet. Was I a bad parent? Timelord would probably think so but how many kids has he got?
Do not take Timelord's articles at face value. We don't really know him at all.
Remember too that people often have differences of opinions on things and reasons and experiences to back their judgement. Pro-cure and autism rights are polar opposites. There are fanatics on both sides of people "along the spectrum" of opinion.
It just seemed like a very ill-advised thread and why is she doing it now when the big kerfuffle was a couple of months ago? It annoys me that this silliness has started all over again.
Yes it is Pakrat and it annoys me too.
I wouldnt regard the thread is ill advised as such, more like the reaction to it. It seems an intresting debate to have imho.
Flardox... It's a long and complex issue, and you'd be bored to hear about it. But it does involve something I told you, a while back, on Fore's blog. I used to be just the same, I was told about Fore, offended, and so I did what anyone like myself would do; What I thought was right. Why? Because of Timelord's propoganda about John Best. I'd never heard the name before, but here I was, all fired up, and saying the same things you were saying. I did whatyou were doing, and when I went that route... That's when things got weird. After a while I started my own blog, and was quite vehement. I drew the attention of Timelord with my actions, and we became friends. Until...
Well, I won't get into that. I'm probably in enough trouble as it is even talking to you, without relating the break Timelord and I had. And I wiped the slate clean, as I promised.
But as it stands, I've got more than half a dozen angry, aggresive, and dedicated friends of Timelord on my blog harassing me(they admit it's harassment), and all to silence me so that I won't ever mention the man again. And I will NOT be coerced, forced against my will by threats and harassment, to do ANYTHING.
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thanks for the advice about timelors speaking of which he sent me this pm and im not sure what to make of it:
Flardox, just touching base with you to let you know a few facts.
Joeker harrassed me on a thread at Hating Autism - calling me "weak" and jumping to a number of false conclusions about me. This was getting out of hand and I mentioned it to a bunch of real life friends who were keen to help. I agreed and gave them the full details.
It worked out well except that one of them (screen name Borusa) went too far and called on Joeker to take his own life. That got him into trouble with the others - and also with me when I found out.
Two wrongs may not make a right - but this has got to the point where Joeker just will not listen to reason anymore. He never wiped the slate clean - as his statement to you about me on Best's blog proved. The warning BTW is unfounded.
I can be nasty - but ONLY when provoked. Joeker has definitely provoked me. Whilst I distance myself from Borusa's comments, the others were fine because they told the truth and expressed their views quite well if a little forcefully. But Joeker doesn't understand just how much angst and anger he is responsible for and won't admit to it either.
It would be best if you stayed away from Joeker. He's on a psychological knife edge at the moment and is too stubborn to admit it. It doesn't really matter what your view of me is to be honest - and I'm not trying to be rude saying that. I'm saying it would be best if you just withdrew from this dispute completely. If you are seen to be talking to me, Joeker will flip his lid for sure. He shouldn't even be here on AFF because he was banned back in August - for pursuing me and not ceasing when Amy and Gareth told him not to.
I might not respond for some time here because I'm taking a break from AFF at present. I only dropped back now because of a post on Joeker's blog that I wanted to follow up on regarding Wilky. And I saw it, and I can tell you I saw this coming back in July. Back then - I told her to get out for defending John Best. Now a lot more members (without realising it) are seeing I was right.
whoops! sorry i didn't mean to post the pm twice!
whoops! sorry i didn't mean to post the pm twice!
wait no i just got it confused sorry again!
Yes Flardox, Timelord does see this as one one big unending melodrama. This stuff really is important to him. No doubt you will do what you do and form whatever beliefs you believe in. I think regardless of what Timelord says or does to pass himself of as rational, normal or human you are starting to get an idea of what he is really about. I wish I had have had this conversation with Joker a lot earlier than what I did. It would have saved him a lot of unnecessary hurt.
i'll keep that in mind thank you
"I am like the ancient persian sword" ?
Well, i'm tempted to say "if the sword is ancient, it must be not very bright" but I won't.
Gareth!! Bad boy! 
lol! 
but to be honest gareth is right I mean I have posted things on here without thinking but this guy doesn't think at all!
for example
he put on a thread of stilkon (where stilkon was saying how his dad is a self-diagnosed aspie and a curbie)
" he is an aspie? "TRAITOR YOUR DAD IS A TRAITOR"
oy well at least evilzakkie gave him a more than aproppriote response 
Nowt wrong with being a Traitor ;p
unless you want to be pulverized!!!
i was just simply stating shamshir's comment