Aspies For Freedom

or a jerk for the american readers.

Did I miss where the author referenced what TFAS stands for?  Of course, AS is Asperger's Syndrome, but what's the TF?

apperantly it this form

TFAS=the forum of Asperger's syndrome.

I guess I'm a ****** too then because the article reminded me of me when I was a kid for the following reasons:



I can remember seeking revenge on my brothers when I was a kid. When they piss me off because they would touch my doll house and make a mess or touch my playhouse or anything I was playing with, I get back at them by doing something and say my brothers did it and i enjoy watching them getting into trouble and being spanked and sent to their rooms or to bed early as a puinishment. Then I get over what they did and move on. I can also remember doing things but when my mother would get mad about it, I knew I was in trouble so I blame it on my brothers instead so I wouldn't be in trouble. But lot of the times it didn't work because my mother knew it was me. But as my brothers got older, they stopped touching my stuff that belonged to me so my revenge stopped.

I also hit my freinds when I get mad at them or when they wouldn't listen to me so I give them a spanking. They get mad at me of course and leave and I can remember getting in trouble with my mother for hitting. It took me till I was 10 to figure out only parents can spank their kids, kids can't spank other kids because my mother had finally told me that. She waited that long to tell me.


I did lot of *** to kids when I was little and wouldn't understand why they were getting upset or what their problem was even though I see them crying or them yelling at me telling me to stop or "beth no." Then my mother come out and yell at me and punish me. Then she started to give me the same taste of my own medicine and then punish me because the punishments weren't working before.



But luckily I outgrew the *** I did as a kid but I like giving assholes *** and I hate them and I always want revenge but unfortunitly can't do it or I get in trouble with the law. So I like playing games with them. I guess I'm a ****** too.

I think this article paints the "malicious" behaviour as inexplicable. Everything has an explanation - it's just a question of finding out what. I've been accused of being a ****** a lot - even in this very forum. The key to it all is understanding why. The trouble starts when people either don't understand why or refuse to understand why. Or they do understand but the remedy is all wrong (such as the wrong sort of punishment for example). Now I can attest to the right sort of punishment. In November 2005 I opened my big mouth and said something I shouldn't have - and I was punished for it. And I took it on the chin because I deserved it. Even though I was provoked it was no excuse for the remark in question.

On other occasions though, I have said things that have upset other people, but I have never regretted it because I felt what I said was right and stood by my statement. Some call it malicious. They can have that opinion if they want to, but I'm not going to learn anything by pussy footing around as some expect me to.

I'm not justifying some of the actions depicted above. I admit I didn't read all of them. All I'm saying is there was a reason for all of them. If we don't know what the reason was then we can't progress (or learn) and fix the problem.

So, basically:

Just like NTs can be jerks, Aspies can be jerks.

That's not news to me!

i think i said that....i cant remember.

is it really that simple?

yes.

It's a particular form of bias to presume that all members of a particular group are good in the same identical way, just as it's wrong to say they're all bad in the same identical way.

Positive stereotypes are still stereotypes and allow for no individual variations.

Batman has talked about the "all Aspies are good at math" expectation/stereotype.

I thought it offered  an explanation.
The explanation for the malicious behaviour was social exploring - looking for an understanding of peoples social behaviour by testing it with a huge amount of detachment and a lack of empathy.

but,as with many things,this can be a point of view.
generally,i think i might be in agreement with you on some accounts there.

And that has caused me a lot of grief in trying to get people to recognize my AS, I have had people tell me I don't have it on that very point...

I am 100% certain if I was just as gifted in Math as the average logic/Math-oriented Aspie, I would have at least an informal diagnosis by now.

Which is (I think) what Lucie is saying in post #23. Sometimes-- often -- the only way to learn is to just plunge in. Many times that plunge will be without full understanding of the social implications of what is said or done, and that may ruffle some feathers. But if the alternative is just to stay on the sidelines and never venture out into the world, it's probably better (though riskier) to plunge.

That's interesting, Max, because plunging in is what makes me the person that I am now. Make of that what you will.

The article does not measure up to its provocative title.

There is nothing malicious in a lot of these examples. That feeding a baby broken glass thing is an exception, but I'm not sure if that qualifies as an example of AS in action.