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Maybe this isn't the best time to post this, as I'm going on vacation Weds., but was wondering if any other parents of Aspie teens have the problem I do with Hope, which is she is terrified of growing up, getting taller, maturing. Tony Attwood does mention this as common amongst young female Aspies.

It causes problems at home for example:

1. She rolls her pants all the way up to her knee or higher because she thinks that makes her look shorter. I notice when I drop her off in the morning some kids chuckle at her behind her back. We have tried and tried to get her to believe us when we tell her she looks ridiculous, to no avail.

2. Yesterday she wouldn't shop for a new bra in the juniors/women's dept. but would only buy a bra in the girls section. She is 16, 103 lbs and about 5'5" tall!

3. She will only wear really flat shoes. That's ok, but even tennis shoes "hold her up too high" as she puts it.

4. I can't call her daughter- she insists on "girl child".

5. Strangers can't say things like "you're growing up" , "you're taller". She doesn't have a meltdown, but gets noticably bothered and asks to change the subject.

6. This is possibly unrelated, but she won't wear sandals 'cause she can't show her feet. I guess she feels her feet are ugly or something.

If you are a female Aspie and were like this growing up, let me know. Did you change? Did you finally relax about all this stuff? What emotionally is at the root of this mindset?

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
I was very confused growing up as well, and it didn't help that:

a) I was the oldest child in my family; and
b) I grew VERY fast - I was my full adult height of 5'7" at 14.

It is really hard to 'stay in the background' when you are the tallest girl in your class, as well as the oddest.

My parents were too strict/embarrassed to discuss 'teen culture' (if that's not an oxymoron Smile) and so I was baffled by the conversations of my peers as they changed subject from dolls to boys. I tried not to make the same mistake with my own kids, and instigated a family tradition called 'the rude half-hour'. (Called that because when they were younger it was all about the use of swear words)

The rules were:
Any of the kids could start it, but had to ask permission first. If the timing was awkward, they HAD to accept a deferment to a mutually convenient time and the adult would make sure the deferred half hour happened;
The adult would not be shocked or angered by anything the kids said;
No punishments would be meted out for anything said, e.g. swearing;
Anything said would not be held against the speaker;
No topic was taboo;
It ended EXACTLY half an hour after starting. We claimed that their dad and I would not remember anything said during 'the rude half-hour'.

During the 'the rude half-hour' anyone could:
Say any of the 'new words' they had learnt and ask for a definition;
Ask any question on any topic they liked and expect an honest answer;
Insult anyone they wanted to;
Just be silly.

I started this as a way of finding out exactly what was being discussed in the primary school playground without having to quiz them!

It became an hilarious diversion on long journeys, and was usually light-hearted - most six-to-eight-year-olds seem to love a chance to say poo-bum (or worse) a zillion times on the trot without being told off! But it gave me a chance to correct mis-information that they had picked up re. drugs, sex etc. without being the big, bad bossy mum.

Of course, outside 'the rude half-hour' they were still forbidden to swear or be rude and they accepted that such things upset a lot of people. Having that safety valve made the usual constraints on behaviour easier to bear. As they grew older one would sometimes come up to me and ask if they could privately have 'a rude ten minutes' if there was something that they wanted to discuss with me but weren't sure of my reaction in 'normal mode'.


That was great Tigger, I wish you had been my mum.( but not old enough by far)Big Grin

I have similar back ground in some respects,  (  talking about sex, even periods & bras, swearing etc...were definite no no's ) but  was at my tallest only 5 feet tall.

I didn't do the 1/2 hour thing, but whilst not allowing swearing as a habit, any subject could be brought up & discussed at any time without fear of repercussion or ridicule.
My thinking was on the lines of, one of them might have a question & if it was deferred to 'later on' it could be forgotten, then the opportunity would have been missed.
To this day, we discuss such subjects just as we would ask if someone wanted a cup of tea, the only rule that I have, is that certain subjects are for discussion in our house only when we have no visitors & not elsewhere.

I love the rude 1/2 hr. rule too! Especially the ability to insult each other for 1/2 hr. only! In my house we would spend 28 of the 30 minutes insulting each other though!*Big Grin I don't think I want to hear what my 23 year old Nt son really thinks of me actually on second thought!

*I am only sorta kidding.
I never liked bras as well and only wear stretchy ones myself... I wore camisoles in Jr High and was sent home with a note from the coach for my mom to buy a bra ... So we found stretchy ones..

I wore the same type clothes you wore... till college.. Today I wear very loose Dutch Designer clothing.. the looser the better.. I never liked tight waists ...

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

labelsremovedwriter17 Wrote:
I am a 17 year old Aspie that people assume I'm either 40+ (speech etc.) or 12. I can relate to some of Hope's feelings:
1. The pants- I wear women's pants usually since when you are 5'7 and 125 pounds with a female body that started changing in early 5th grade- mine are high waisted or slightly above the belt line because I'm not comfortable showing off my body and I know people snigger about it.
2. Shopping for clothes- personally I hate buying bras, instead I wear camisoles because they feel more comfortable- I only wear bras when excercising. My mother thinks I dress really odd for school- I have tons of knee length socks from the girl's department with skirts that look more like something you'd see on a 7th grader- I'll wear older looking clothes for church and dances though.
3. The mother endearments- I blush when she calls me young woman, I wish she'd just call me her daughter or girl.
4. Comments from strangers- I usually get very quiet when people give me compliments about how grownup I am- especially from guys.
5. My interests- I still watch anime from when I was six and have a huge stuffed animal collection.
My advice would be let Hope be herself, her interests are fine etc. she's just a little nervous about growing up. Coach her gently about public behavior and accept her idiosyncracies. Why rush growing up when she's having fun. The media pressures girls to grow up too fast- just look at the fashion dolls at the toy store and you'll see what I mean! Many Aspies flourish better as an adults because they have had more time to gain experience and grow naturally. Sometimes natural growth is slow.


Thank you for that. it is very sensible.

Male readers stop here. Thank you.

BTW: I still hate bras - I wear stretchy support sports tops instead.

Ethel my parents were fairly good about allowing me to be me... I was a tom boy... To this day I still follow my passions.. I encourage my family to do the same... We are a very quirky family but we love it and love each other...

Last night I went to a small HS class reunion of some of my friends ... I am the only artist who was also involved in theater... all my friends smiled and loved the fact that I was myself!  I always described myself as a mylar baloon floating in the hall way from class to class.. I worked hard to excell at everything and used that aspie ability to learn as a weapon.. I earned respect from them.. and feel loved... I learned to take care of bullies at an early age...and they do not bother me.. their vulgarity and violent nature always shows itself.. they fool a few people at the beginning but it always shows when most of what they do is belittle.

My best friend in HS is I believe an aspie too.. she is not diagnosed but I know she is.. much more so than I am... we both played with dolls till 16 and never had a first date until 17 in college... she does not want to be diagnosed... she is successful and feels she does not need to know.. I beg to differ with her.... she has major problems in social scenes.. much more than I do... I can't force her but I can try to help her understand..over the next years... She is a brilliant scientist and artist... we have known each other for 47 yrs...and even attended college together...


Ethel Wrote:
I know where you're coming from, Yetti, and individuality is a wonderful thing.  But I wish someone *had* told me, as a child/teen/young adult, when I was making a fool of myself.  But nobody had sussed I was different, and they assumed I knew what I was doing.  I didn't.

It's one thing to consciously disregard social rules and be confident in yourself, it's another to actually want to fit in, but not be able to 'get' the social rules enough to make it happen.

I Love being a female Aspie.. I feel its as free as the wind and very natural... I love it... I am just so challenged in realizing I will never know how it feels to "BE" like NTS in social occasions...  I can do what they do as a performance.. NO one can tell.. I can hide it very well..... but its a real effort, tiring,  not natural, and an acting performance.. not me..  It took years for me to develop social skills  esp taking theater training... really helped...

tenaciouscj Wrote:
I also think it's pointless and unkind to force aspie children "out of the nest" before they are ready. They are often quite prone to being taken advantage of and it's better that they are relatively safe at home than out in the big bad world before they have the mental tools to cope.

It also needs to be acknowledged that some will never be able to go out and live on their own, even if highly functioning intelligence-wise.


I totally agree with this although I am talking about both of my sons.
I am frequently criticized for not making them  leave home.....'how will they ever learn.....,'

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
I'm getting a mental picture of a certain Hogwarts professor......


Get a job and  diagnosed.. that will help you with those mental images especially about your own self image.   A good professional will find the other challenges which you are facing.  Hanging on boards from one country to another for state welfare doesn't help anyone.  Canada I am sure is next.

Yetti Wrote:
Get a job and  diagnosed.. that will help you with those mental images especially about your own self image.   A good professional will find the other challenges which you are facing.  Hanging on boards from one country to another for state welfare doesn't help anyone.  Canada I am sure is next.


You quite obviously know nothing about Tigger, if you did you would be aware of her health problems.

I'm afraid that you are an evil old woman, who cruelly delights in causing unhappiness & havoc, this indicates to me that you are also a very unhappy woman, whatever you may say to the contrary.

Coffee....tea anyone ?

Tea please...uuuum quite milky.....baby tea we call it Big Grin
I am called a snob...now low class.Rolleyes..........................tea... & coffee with ice cream...perhaps we will take with the Waterford glassware & Harrods China using  our silver Kings pattern cutlery.RolleyesRolleyes
actually it is on topic.. there is a difference between females aspie late maturing and just plain acts of hooliganism.  unfortunately some do not know the difference.   Just because an aspie girl is slow in maturing is not the same ...nor is it a license to act inappropriately anytime one feels like it, especially if the aspie is over 25.

Slow maturity simply means an aspie female is taking more time to mature in social situations and interests.  It does not mean disruption or acts of violence.

guardian001 Wrote:

guardian001 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
Guardian they are not on topic.. its trolling... and emotional immaturity beyond aspergers.. its just low class.... by doing what they are doing.. it proved all my past posts on the topics.

guardian001 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Any one who wants help and information can join our tea-party-coffee-fest. Trolls not invited.


Thank you for proving my posts Smile


i'm confused how is any of this on topic yetti?

your not either Yetti

guardian001 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
actually it is on topic.. there is a difference between females aspie late maturing and just plain acts of hooliganism.  unfortunately some do not know the difference.   Just because an aspie girl is slow in maturing is not the same ...nor is it a license to act inappropriately anytime one feels like it, especially if the aspie is over 25.

Slow maturity simply means an aspie female is taking more time to mature in social situations and interests.  It does not mean disruption or acts of violence.

what hooligism? never hear that word be fore.



Basically its  intentional disruption, bullyism

Batman55 Wrote:

And my point is, I've not heard of an Aspie (of any age) who doesn't have a tendency to "float off into their own world" and protect themselves.  Some do it with a very brutal "faux confidence" kind of thing; others are more withdrawn and introverted.  And I've rarely heard of an Aspie who doesn't have escapist tendencies.


Yes..this describes me & both of my sons...... we each escape in our individual ways.

Batman55 Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Nothing wrong with being "dreamy" and "self-interested," or both.  Aspies must find their own way to deal with things, the same way NTs must find their own way to deal with things--and the approach will often be different from person to person.  Who's to say that one approach is "weaker" than another?

Well said. Isn't the point of this site to give us freedom to be ourselves?

I agree !!

Batman55 Wrote:
That's what I thought   Rolleyes

Me too.

i class myself as mentally female (but unwilling to go through painful surgery) and anyone who tries to pierce my lovely un-metalled ears is going to die a painful death lol x
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