09-29-2007, 11:05 AM
09-30-2007, 04:55 AM
Ian Wrote:
The apple is carnal sin =p
So it would have actually been a sausage? 
09-30-2007, 10:28 AM
There is now a school of thought that the Armageddon took place when Jerusalem fell, some years after Christ's death and the Apocalypse was full of allegory.
09-30-2007, 12:08 PM
Lolz! Btw, I think the loss of their stock that way must have left a sower taste in the mouths of the pig owners. They wouldn't have been able to bring home the bacon for quite a long time. It certainly is a curly tale.
09-30-2007, 02:55 PM
To further my hypothesis, it was said that eve was tempted by a serpent, otherwise known as a snake.
09-30-2007, 03:02 PM
Hmm, and how else were they supposed to create more people? Seems rather silly for them to have been given the capability and then told they shouldn't use it? Unless the fruit of the tree of knowledge was something else again???
10-01-2007, 11:20 AM
What about voting for the lot who will improve the social security system so there is a proper safety net for those who are unemployed and ill. Also, a government that will work in co-operation with the unions would be a good thing.
10-01-2007, 11:52 AM
Max the Bear Wrote:
tenaciouscj Wrote:
What about voting for the lot who will improve the social security system so there is a proper safety net for those who are unemployed and ill. Also, a government that will work in co-operation with the unions would be a good thing.
I'm voting for CJ!
Actually, we do have a candidate with that kind of vision (Dennis Kucinich) but he's treated as a joke. We apparently prefer the corporatist "Greed Is Good" mentality, even though that philosophy is destroying democracy and sucking the life out of the middle classes.
Why, thanks (takes a bow).
I'd like to see the big corporations expected to behave more responsibly and pay their fair share of taxes instead of a disproportionate burden being placed upon the lower middle class.
10-02-2007, 08:30 AM
Why separation of church and state? Can you give some reasons for this stance? (I'm acting devil's advocate here btw).
10-03-2007, 08:31 AM
GuessWho Wrote:
Government needs to protect people from one another.
That would include protecting workers from exploitation by greedy bosses who only pay slightly above starvation wages and have woeful conditions then. I note that not all bosses are like that.
10-05-2007, 09:18 AM
Max the Bear Wrote:
GuessWho Wrote:
"[Opression] not only flows from the powerful to the powerless, but also flows in reverse.
Well, you can say that, of course, but it makes no sense and is absolutely insupportable. You can hit the keys that make the words appear, but it is simply not true. I would love to hear you present your point in some way beyond quoting some startlingly ignorant lyrics from a little pop ditty.
Oppression is operated via the levers of power -- social, economic, cultural power. Only the groups who have access to those levers can oppress.
Did you seriously get a masters degree in sociology without learning how oppression works? How?
It depends if it was based on bare passes or higher marks? Logically, only a group with higher strength can oppress others who are weaker.
10-06-2007, 03:20 AM
I've never actually heard of Star Parker before this thread. Is she suggesting that welfare should be wound back even further?
10-06-2007, 03:55 AM
At least minstrel shows provided some entertainment.
I don't know how welfare recipients can be so demonised when the politicians often have their noses in the trough of public money.
I don't know how welfare recipients can be so demonised when the politicians often have their noses in the trough of public money.
10-06-2007, 04:36 AM
We get the same thing in Australia with people talking about those awful "dole bludgers" and "single mums" and forgetting how big the pollies' pensions are going to be. The truth is, just about anybody could end up losing their job and not being able to get another one. At least the politicians in that situation are guaranteed a generous pension for the rest of their lives.
Most single parents are those whose marriages have broken up or are widowed. The parenting payment is a pittance but once there are a few kids, it is not much less than some of the more low-paid jobs. So, a few parents work out it is better to stay home with the kids. They are a minority though and in the big scheme of things, cost very few taxpayer dollars.
It's also forgotten by some that we ALL pay taxes, whether we are in the paid workforce or not! This is because we pay GST on just about everything we buy. So, welfare recipients also pay taxes - the same taxes that the self-righteous proclaim should be withheld from welfare.
Most single parents are those whose marriages have broken up or are widowed. The parenting payment is a pittance but once there are a few kids, it is not much less than some of the more low-paid jobs. So, a few parents work out it is better to stay home with the kids. They are a minority though and in the big scheme of things, cost very few taxpayer dollars.
It's also forgotten by some that we ALL pay taxes, whether we are in the paid workforce or not! This is because we pay GST on just about everything we buy. So, welfare recipients also pay taxes - the same taxes that the self-righteous proclaim should be withheld from welfare.
10-25-2007, 08:24 AM
If any more fights break out: yes.