Aspies For Freedom - Why christianity is wrong

Creasy Wrote:

Damn I accidentally hit return too soon, again.

After asking if could speak for the umpteenth time and being talked over again, I lost my temper and said look just the fuck up alright to which he replied, 'ah, don't talk to me'. I had to walk away and cool down because I felt like punching the idiot. I don't mind people having a point of view but when they talk at you and won't let you respond it can become really frustrating, especially when you can defeat their arguments.

Isn't this an aspie trait?  To talk and talk?  I realize I wasn't there, though.  It may just be that the guy was an idiot and knew you could counter the arguments, so he just kept throwing it out there.  That's not the way to do it, obviously.

It's in style at the moment to bash religion, and 'religious' people are pissed about it, is all.  They tend to get bent real quick.

nobody can defeat the arguments, only show their flaws in logic.  Nobody can prove God exists with a proof, and nobody can say he doesn't.  (and I personally believe that God set it up that way.)

Creasy Wrote:

Your second comment is interesting. I tend to think that all this pontificating about religion and morality etc is just another form of procrastination. Most reasonable people know the difference between right and wrong.

Interesting.  What do you mean about "procrastination"?
You mean like people want to argue and mess about with the whole "I'm superior to you because I follow this code" rather than ACTUALLY LIVING what they are preaching?

re: third sentence:  that's natural law Smile

I can't remember the Stephanus Numbers for the quote, but it goes like this:  (Jesus speaking, this is a paraphrase) You complain about the speck in your neigbors eye, you should shut up and ask help from them to remove the plank from your eye first before worrying about them.

And the whole judge not thing.  That's why I, in a general sense, say that something is wrong for me, but not necessarily wrong for you, only you and God knows that.  Or, if it's an atheist, it's between the atheist and his conscious; which is Natural Law, and that can be debated as to whether it's a product of evolution or is given by God.

Don't get me started, nobody likes it when I get started... Smile

I may have just contradicted myself. Clearly more thought is required.

*think, think, oh bother.*

I can't even bother with belief in the biblical god......so full of patriarchy.

SoulSick Wrote:

Yes I drew this... This is what made me reject christianity, I just can't respect a god, nor son of god that claims demons exist and do this kind of silly stuff... Just imagine this scenario in the modern world and you have your answer!! Smile

It really is some sick shit.................this Jesus guy was a psycho!!!!!!!!!!

But they eat a lot of carbs and that is not healthy.....................it is a bogus diet.

Oh that is priceless..........Temple Grandin inventing something that kills cows without stress....................I can't help but see the selfishness in that.

Lucie1 Wrote:

Thomas the Solitary Wrote:

I may have just contradicted myself. Clearly more thought is required.

*think, think, oh bother.*

I missed the contradiction.

Don't worry about it. I'm starting to think I didn't after all.

It was all in my head, anyway Smile

redbirdny Wrote:

SoulSick Wrote:

Yes I drew this... This is what made me reject christianity, I just can't respect a god, nor son of god that claims demons exist and do this kind of silly stuff... Just imagine this scenario in the modern world and you have your answer!! Smile

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It really is some sick shit.................this Jesus guy was a psycho!!!!!!!!!!

Read it in the proper context and it makes perfect sense.
I don't mean just the context of the surrounding bible text.
I mean the entire culture, time period, etc.
It's a big job. That's why we have Ministers / Priests / Rabbis, etc.

Oh. And an open mind. That helps too.

redbirdny Wrote:

I can't even bother with belief in the biblical god......so full of patriarchy.

The church is full of patriarchy. The underlying faith isn't. The New Testament shows Jesus was a feminist, who believed strongly that we were all created equal. For example his group included both men and women, unheard of for a Jewish Rabbi, and he spent time talking to women from other faiths (the Samaritan lady at the well) to the astonishment of his disciples who knew that it was 'forbidden' for a Jewish leader to talk to women at all, let alone one from another faith/denomination to their own. The church didn't like Jesus's message much, and tried very hard to silence any mention of women having equal status by altering the texts to make people like Mary Magdalene appear to be a prostitute (she wasn't), cut out any books that had a pro-women approach and denied the importance of the female apostles and church leaders.

featherways Wrote:

redbirdny Wrote:

I can't even bother with belief in the biblical god......so full of patriarchy.

The church is full of patriarchy. The underlying faith isn't. The New Testament shows Jesus was a feminist, who believed strongly that we were all created equal. For example his group included both men and women, unheard of for a Jewish Rabbi, and he spent time talking to women from other faiths (the Samaritan lady at the well) to the astonishment of his disciples who knew that it was 'forbidden' for a Jewish leader to talk to women at all, let alone one from another faith/denomination to their own. The church didn't like Jesus's message much, and tried very hard to silence any mention of women having equal status by altering the texts to make people like Mary Magdalene appear to be a prostitute (she wasn't), cut out any books that had a pro-women approach and denied the importance of the female apostles and church leaders.

Feather you got the right idea.............but still there is no need in my life for a Jesus or a blood sacrifice. It kinda goes against my lifestyle of non violence or at least to the best of my ability.

GuessWho Wrote:

You see, 2000 years ago it offended (mostly men) when women spoke up in church and exercised leadership in church, and now, it offended (mostly women but quite a few men too) when we're trying to shut up women who want to be pastors.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/southernba...ention.htm

The general principle Apostle Paul was using with eating meat and Christians who believed it was a sin to eat meat offered to idols (even today Seventh Day Adventists will thank you if you save the meat for later) was: It is more important to restrict your freedom than it is to cause your Christian brother to have a tizzy fit over his lack of faith.  Save your energy for spreading the Word of God.

I know Pastor Martha Phillips.  I'm sure she weighed the pros and cons carefully.

Maybe today we would say, to the men, let the women speak, do not offend them, hold your peace.  We know that women on average have superior skills with things like empathizing, teaching, social skills, managing, persuasion, negotiation, the soft skills, patience maybe, they do end up doing most of the kid raising in the Western world.  And none of this is valued very much judging from what we pay day care, teaching, nursing, social work professionals.

Exception: If the guy is romantically lonely or doesn't know how lonely he is because he is studying his brains out, and therefore vulnerable, DON'T SEND WONDER WOMAN SEND SUPERMAN.

I doubt that women automatically have better social skills.....if that were true than I would have more women friends. I don't get into their competitive nonsense.

GuessWho Wrote:

...doesn't know how lonely he is because he is studying his brains out,...

*cough*
it works
*cough* ... *cough*

(and don't worry about vulnerability , GF#2 taught me how to be "a little more selective" and listen more to my Brain on these matters.)

Creasy Wrote:

Debunking Every Argument of Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelists

http://www.geocities.com/wwu777us/Debunk...uments.htm

Ooooh!  Thanks!  <hopping up and down in excitement>

I do have to say that Fundamentalists are kinda wacky to begin with.

But, I don't want to get into all that -- and I really don't want to offend people, but with this subject, it's unavoidable.

I will say briefly that in my view, this type (Fundamentalist) seems to be replacing God with the Bible.  As odd as that may sound.  And, in fact, they may even not find a problem with that, as to them, POSSIBLY, I don't know, since they believe the Bible is God's Word, it IS God, or a part of God, so it's not Idol worshiping.  I don't know.  I really haven't thought too much about it or talked to enough people (which, obviously, is hard, both because people in real life don't like *talking* about religion, (maybe arguing & yelling, or mostly trying to "save" me) and I've got the Aspie social problems.)

I use too many parenthetical phrases.  I may have to look into that Smile

tenaciouscj Wrote:

redbirdny Wrote:

Oh that is priceless..........Temple Grandin inventing something that kills cows without stress....................I can't help but see the selfishness in that.

Isn't it still better than something that kills cows WITH stress?

Dead is dead............no matter you want to look at it. I don't see the difference. I know that TG is seen as some sort of hero to us autistics......to an extent she still is but let's be honest and not put her on a pedestal as some kind of humanitarian which she is not. Tootles

Ellen Wrote:

Don't give a damn if anyone converts, that's not my intent, I understand just how many agnostics and atheists post here, etc., but given the nature of this thread, bear with me for quoting my guru and master, Meher Baba, but what He says IS what is happening now all over the world, set in motion by him actually:

THE NEW ERA OF TRUTH AND LOVE
Meher Baba

The organized religions of the world often fail to express the real vision of those who have been the fountainhead of inspiration for their very coming into existence. Dogmas and beliefs, rituals and ceremonies, can never be the essence of true spiritual life. When religion has become merely a matter of external rituals and ceremonies, it has become a cage for the soul. Nor does it help very far to change one religion for another. It is like going from one cage to another. If religion does not help man to emancipate the soul from spiritual bondage and realize God, it has no useful purpose to serve. Then it is time that religion should go to make room for God!

I am, therefore, not interested in founding a new religion. The world is already divided by numberless sects, based upon dogmas and beliefs. I have not come to give another cage for man, but to impart to the world the illimitable Truth. The world needs awakening and not mere verbal instruction; it needs the freedom and the amplitude of divine life, and not the superficiality of mechanized and pompous forms; it needs love, and not the displays of power.

The world task ahead of me is particularly creative. Really speaking, none of you have to receive divinity from me; but what I have to give is the knowledge and experience of the Oneness of us all.

Man will be weaned away from the allurements of the ego-life. He shall come into full inheritance of his own divinity and know himself to be none other than the supreme God Himself; and his heart shall be unlocked so as to release the dynamic love divine. Divine love knows no decay, fear or corruption, because it is illumined by the understanding that all life is One. Let those who are alive to the real values hearken to this call of mine; they will have an ample share in bringing into existence the New Era of Truth and Love.

LORD MEHER, Vol. 7 & 8, p. 2985, Bhau Kalchuri

Ellen I cannot argue what you said at all. This kind of fits in with my beliefs in advaitic non dualism. Nothing about my Hindu philosophy has ever asked me to ignore basic laws of nature which is good. What is, is..........many atheists I know of are more critical of the three Abrahamic faiths as they require so much. They require absolute faith in a one god at the expense of foregoing scientific evidence.

Namaste
Om Shanti