Aspies For Freedom - Why christianity is wrong

So the stories about Jesus and the miracles he performed are fictional then?

Oh, and what about the Heaven and Hell stuff, is that fictional too?

Creasy Wrote:

I'm sure someone just registered as a sock puppet to post that. But to what end, who knows?

Who??? I hope you're not suggesting I did that. I have enough trouble writing my our words.
But it is possible I went offline last night around the same time this person posted--so I forgive you. Smile Our religious chat was interesting...but not interesting enough for me to stay up past 1AM. Tongue

Who said anything about you being the sock puppet?

It could have been anyone.

Creasy Wrote:

So the stories about Jesus and the miracles he performed are fictional then?

I can't say whether or not the stories of miracles are fictional...I wasn't there. But am willing except their realness as a matter of faith.

Can you be sure 'the big bang' happened? The evidence suggests that it did--but can you be 100% certain. Yes...no?
If you except that it did happen...you've taken a 'leap of faith'.

Creasy Wrote:

Oh, and what about the Heaven and Hell stuff, is that fictional too?

We create our own heaven; we create our own hell.
But if you mean...the place/places we go when we die...the I couldn't say... as I'm not dead. Tongue

Creasy Wrote:

Who said anything about you being the sock puppet?

It could have been anyone.

Just my inherent paranoia my friend. lol Big Grin

It all sounds a bit wishy washy to me QD.

Creasy Wrote:

It all sounds a bit wishy washy to me QD.

Well, I'm a wishy washy kinda guy. Tongue
You're a clever bloke Creasy. Smile

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Creasy Wrote:

Here's an interesting post I came across on another site.

Quote:

...But not all propositions are created equal. It is indeed true that some cannot really be disproven - for example, the claim "a black swan exists" cannot be disproven. To do so would require examining every spot in the universe to make sure that such a swan did not exist, and that simply isn't possible...

Source: http://boards.historychannel.com/thread....4352105000

I have searched every spot in the universe for you (well, Adelaide, actually) and here is a Black Swan.

My family and I have fed flocks of them on the River Torrens.

Now, let's see if I can find a picture of God as easily.

If I said I found God in Adelaide, that presumably would not be as good a proof as the assertion that there are Black Swans aplenty there?

Yeah. I was aware of that error to, but everything else he said was on the money.

Actually. He said it can't be disproven. Not proven.

Bottom line. You can't prove that something doesn't exist and the onus is on those who claim it does to do so.

There. I'm done.

But then it realigned its view when new evidence disproving the previous theory came to hand. It's a pity religion doesn't do that.

Now. I'm done.

Arctoris Wrote:

quickduck Wrote:

Can you be sure 'the big bang' happened? The evidence suggests that it did--but can you be 100% certain. Yes...no?
If you except that it did happen...you've taken a 'leap of faith'.

Leap of faith? The leap of faith that evidence can be used to reach a conclusion? There is an enormous amount of evidence supporting the big bang event. If you consider that to be a leap of faith, what about the following events: Is it a leap of faith to assume that the Sun will rise tomorrow as the Earth rotates on its axis once again? Is it a leap of faith to assume that I won't fall through my floor when I step on it due to the vast majority of space in solids being empty? Is it a leap of faith to assume that I and all my atoms won't disintegrate the next instant due to a failure of the Strong Nuclear Force? I really wouldn't call those leaps of faith.

I would call all those things ‘a leap of faith’ because they involved trusting in ones beliefs. Whether those beliefs derive from scientific observation or intuitive introspection is irrelevant. You’re still putting your faith in your beliefs.

I see god and the universe as pretty much the same thing. I have a relationship with god…and I study to universe. I believe that humankind evolved from the apes and that the universe began with ‘a big bang’. I also believe in the grace of god and that man was created in god’s image.

Just out of interest…
How do you see religions that do not rely on the existence of a divine creator? Buddhist and Taoist beliefs for example. Are they still illogical?

Pakrat Wrote:

It might be just as credible to believe that the universe started with a sprinkle of fairy dust.....

Now there's an idea. Wink

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