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Yes but who would hire someone without education...?
Get out of your self,man, and look around,sun is shining(well sometimes)

Not every one are

Yetti Wrote:
Max are you a doctor?  You don't even have Asperger's first accoreding to you and then from many others.  You have no authority to give people medical advice. Doctors are not only about meds but correct CBT.

You are a secondary school social studies teacher who for some odd reason wants to stay on an aspie board when he does not even has asperger's . Most your posts are about the World according to Max and you try to chase off anyone who disagrees according to MANY .

.  You have other disorders... list them.  I can help you find the appropriate boads Smile  

As for me... I have a great report from several doctors... what are you afraid of Max?  Why do you fear doctors?  I have a good idea what your disorder challenges are.. but try to get to the point you will discuss them in public.  Telling people who have medical challenges not to seek professional help  is major  destructive.  


A few more points for the lost cause.

a) Most of the people who dislike your posts on these forums are officially diagnosed Aspies - not that it's relevant. Personally, I enjoy having some NT's around for a different perspective.

b) I believe most people on the forum will support people seeking psychiatric help for problems. What we don't support is ramming psychiatry down peoples throats every single post, or telling people to seek psychiatric help when they don't agree with you. People come here to share experiences, not to get contacts for psychiatrists.

c) The only reason you are getting any supportive PM's on these forums is that there's a lot of very sweet people who do not enjoy conflict. What many don't realise is that an offensive person can poison the forums to the extent that they are no longer enjoyable for others.

d) Finally, the reason I, personally, have a problem with you is that you seem to believe that Aspergers is nothing more than a problem that has to be dealt with - which is exactly what this board is about getting away from. I found the rarest of things here - a group of self-actualised, intelligent, creative, caring and generally amazing people that actually like who they are.

I'm writing this mostly for others reading along, as I believe Yetti is a lost cause. The only thing I can say to Yetti is to have a look at the curebie forums - you'll probably find people more like yourself there, and you'll actually be doing us a favour by disrupting them.

Yetti Wrote:
BTW Asperger's is a blessing from God. Not a problem Smile


If you believe this, then please stop talking about it as a problem to be treated.

For me, finding this forum was about me wanting to learn about the person I am by sharing the experiences of others. I would have been mortified if someone had replied to me early on by saying "You have problems. Go to a psychiatrist".

This is the crux of the issue people have with you.

Yetti Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
BTW Asperger's is a blessing from God. Not a problem Smile


If you believe this, then please stop talking about it as a problem to be treated.

For me, finding this forum was about me wanting to learn about the person I am by sharing the experiences of others. I would have been mortified if someone had replied to me early on by saying "You have problems. Go to a psychiatrist".

This is the crux of the issue people have with you.


what other disorders do YOU have along with Aspergers?  The problem is that people are not treating other disorders they may have along with aspergers.. there is no treatment for aspergers!  There is nothing wrong with aspergers... There are methods for children to learn to live in an NT world.. You want to deny aspie children of this help?    

There is treatment for accompanying disorders which make life very difficult for aspies. There is therapy to help an aspie function in an NT world that does not understand our world and our heads.... this can make for a very difficult life especially in finding a job..


Again, I am not against psychiatry, I am only against it being rammed down peoples throats. If someone asks where they can find help for a particular issue, that's a good time to recommend a psychiatrist. If someone talks about cultural oddities, or about being uncomfortable in a particular social situation, telling them to "go see a psychiatrist" is not appropriate.

Yetti Wrote:
Evil .. Now show us where I stated for someone to see a psychiatrist because of cultural differences?  Why are you making all these false statements and attributing them to me.  Show me where I claimed a cultural difference warrented a psychiatrist?

Will wait for the quote you claimed I made.  



Here's one where you are suggesting people who disagree with you should see a psychiatrist.

Yetti Wrote:
Actually I am being attacked for my opinion. Instead of giving me facts to prove me wrong you are name calling. I hope this is not how you work with your students.

Fact is we are entitled to judge character.  That is why we have laws. That is why we can say yes or no to certain people. Name calling is more foolish than anything.. it proves one does not have the ability to discuss or prove the other person incorrect in their facts or reasoning.

Lets see I am a diagnosed Aspie and on Griz's profile ..she is not.

I have learned that some people come as self diagnosed aspies when they have other disorders or have additional disorders.  It makes for a lot of unpleasantness. Hence I suggest for people to see therapists and psychiatrists for confirmation of their challenges...

WHy would my statements stop anyone from doing what they deem as right, if I am wrong? We are all entitled to our opinions about human behavior.   Name calling is not one of them.


And another:

Yetti Wrote:
Marike... my psychiatrist and therapists know me well.. It is not needed. Perhaps you yourself need to look into these.  BTw Harry Potter was too busy... we will wait. <G>

WHen was the last time you talked with a psychiatrist or Aspie speicalist?

Look up the word arrogance.  You are misusing it.   I think I just pushed the right buttons for yours to return.. that is all.

Now its attitude.. and yours?  You dissed long term marriages , you claimed I could not possibly have a great long term marriage you diagnosed me as manic depressive adn arrogant and should be on meds.. and where did you get your medical degree?  Or are you using me to talk to yourself?

I would suggest your work on yourself as well. I am not a therapist but I sense jealousy.  That is immature.  All this time you are addressing me when you stated you were helping Guess who ,who you think is in deep dark dispair and about to jump off a bridge or something unless you help him... now who is the rescuer type?

Perhaps you need to focus on you now... your short marriage and I have not seen your credentials have not asserted any merits of any response you give.  I do denote major jealousy.... but that is your problem if you insist on shadowing my posts... and want to diagnose me and tell me what you think of me.. and that is helping?  

IN all honesty I find your information very uneducated, lacking experience, insecure and demanding attention.  

Best wishes to having a long term marriage but then again you don't believe in them. Have u even read the articles?  Oh yes, those articles are by arrogant people thinking they are happy when YOU KNOW long term married people are not .. just arrogant that they think they are Wink


And another, this time where you actually call self-diagnosed people predators:

Yetti Wrote:
Not so Tigger... they did not know what aspergers really was only 6 yrs after Dr Asperger made the observations.... they did not give us such tests....  But I can see some are fearful they are being uncovered as to their intentions on this board and it shows with the presonal attacks.

I was officially diagnosed as I have stated before at 56 .. this year... Before that I had no clue about what aspergers was...but I was an aspie.. I did not come to these boards until I was officially diagnosed.. I did not hang around here for so long of a period of time I see others here who are not diagnosed and many who just bully others.... This board is an open board and anyone can join and pretend...

Bullies will search out aspies and use the boards for their bullying grounds with their mental illnesses for violent and agresssion...

until you are diagnosed... you are not officially recognized.. because any one can make a claim on the internet.. even an official diagnosis...

We already caught one who did not even know what an aspie meltdown was and has been here a long time...  I had meltdowns before I was diagnoses and as soon as the term was told to me I knew exactly what they were...

Do be cautious about on line predators who claim to have aspergers.... its not hard to weed them out... and they then become violent attacking and bullying to hide the fact their true nature is being perceived... This is common sense and all over the internet with warnings...


Here's one where you recommend seeing a psychiatrist for no apparent reason:

Yetti Wrote:
Bout time you got a diagnosis.. from a psychiatrist or specialty psychologist in Aspergers..   My best friend who I am almost sure is an aspie will not do so.... I am working on it with her... it is very painful for her.. she was bullied all her life and could not handle socialization very well at all... She took is 56 just 2 days older than me.. we will be travelling together on some interesting journeys that my husband does not want to take.... she is recently divorced after 34 yrs... she thought all men were the same... did not know they had different personalities LOL And she is a scientist!  

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
Actually, I'm a 49 year-old grandmother.

I have a long family history of Asperger's without formal diagnosis.

Grandad died twenty years before DSMIV.


...And then you actually go on to insult her for not seeing a psychiatrist:

Yetti Wrote:
Tigger its obvious you are making fun of aspies.. adn that you are not an aspie. Thank you for proving you are not diagnosed , that you donot have aspergers and you use the board for your own emotional challenges outside aspergers... a 48 yr old woman who claims to have a heart condition 5 kids... no money OOOPS now has money but doesn't want to see a psychiatrist.


Here you recommended Max see a psychiatrist for not agreeing with you:

Yetti Wrote:
PS: With all the name calling which you encourage, why do you think you are helping Aspies by such violent behavior? If you are here to learn about asperger's why are you attacking anyone who disagrees with you?  Isn't your partner diagnosed by a professional if he is an aspie?  Have you seen a psychiatrist for your ADD and related disorders?  IF you need a site for asperger's meltdown , I can provide it.
There is a device called GOOGLE   Enter "Meltdown"
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00551.html

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asperger-Syndrom...0967251435

http://www.specialneeds.com/books.asp?id=14325


There are stages to a meltdown.. Any teacher or parent or individual  worth their salt and truly wants to learn about it , would look for facts and not carry on with name calling and big me little you game.


...I think I've made my point.

arthurdent Wrote:
Christianity was a syncretic religion, based on Judaism, Greek and Roman mythology, Mithraism, and quite possibly a bit of Buddhism (Buddhist missionaries made it all the way to the area where Jesus was born!).
I've been an atheist for about a decade now. While I concede that I can't prove that no God exists, it seems that atheism is a good best guess, and to me a belief is simply a best guess. If there's a God who really wants me to believe in him, he's just going to have to give me better "proof". And even then I'd have to be convinced that I should "worship" such a being. My problem with faith is that I can't wrap my mind around the idea of CHOOSING to BELIEVE something. I can choose to say a Hail Mary, or to observe Lent, but I can't choose to believe something. Doesn't compute.

Dont you think that the very idea of the Creators exisistance develops and grows the more you deny it?

arthurdent Wrote:

Quote:
Dont you think that the very idea of the Creators exisistance develops and grows the more you deny it?


When I say "I believe X" I mean "X is my best guess,

I did not meen to be rude,it was just a bad choise of word.
So why dont you call your self an agnosist?
Remember,dont wanna be rude,just want to ask.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
So that is the reason the Catholic Church used to forbid lay people from accessing the bible Wink


Also because it meant that people had to go to church (and tithe) to find out how not to go to hell...

Thomas the Solitary Wrote:
And, in fact, they may even not find a problem with that, as to them, POSSIBLY, I don't know, since they believe the Bible is God's Word, it IS God, or a part of God, so it's not Idol worshiping.  I don't know.  I really haven't thought too much about it or talked to enough people which, obviously, is hard, both because people in real life don't like *talking* about religion


Perhaps they don't have time for idol chit-chat.

*grins* I just couldn't resist...

This seemed the most appropriate thread to post this story... *grins*:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23031800-2,00.html

A MAN in Idaho who believed he bore the "mark of the beast" used a circular saw to cut off his hand then cooked it in a microwave oven.

The man in his mid-20s called police as he cooked his severed limb.

He was calm when they arrived at his home in the town of Hayden on Saturday, the Associated Press reported.

"It had been somewhat cooked by the time the deputy arrived," police Captain Ben Wolfinger said.

"He put a tourniquet on his arm before, so he didn't bleed to death. That kind of mental illness is just sad."

It was not clear whether the man had a history of mental illness but he was now in protective custody in a mental health unit.

A hospital spokeswoman would not say whether an attempt was made to reattach the hand.

The Book of Revelation in the New Testament contains a passage in which an angel is quoted as saying: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink the wine of God's fury."

The Book of Matthew also contains the passage: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

Capt Wolfinger said he did not know which hand was amputated.
I've always thought of it as a belief "phase space", containing all possible beliefs, and eliminating those beliefs which have been disproved by facts.

For example, the belief phase space still contains the possibility of atheism, the possibility of god (though not under a strict christian model, without improbable extenuating conspiracies), the possibility of my own set of beliefs, the possibility of the flying spaghetti monster, and the possibility that I'm in a coma somewhere hallucinating everything.

I have a personally selected "seems most true to me" set of beliefs, but if someone elses beliefs still fall within the phase space, they cannot be faulted - regardless of probability, improbability, or even nonsensicality.

I consider myself to be a philosopher - and if I refused to acknowledge this phase space, I think I'd have to give up the label. Knowing that everything I believe could be wrong is the most important philosophers tool...

Creasy  Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
If I said I found God in Adelaide, that presumably would not be as good a proof as the assertion that there are Black Swans aplenty there?


Yeah. I was aware of that error to, but everything else he said was on the money.


It's a reference to a famous quote - can't remember the original author, but the original bird was a white crow...

BobB Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:
I've always thought of it as a belief "phase space", containing all possible beliefs, and eliminating those beliefs which have been disproved by facts.


EvilZakkie,
  So you believe in Schrodinger's God?  Wink


*grins* Something like that...

But seriously, I personally vote "no" on the god thing - I just don't discount the possibility, and I don't begrudge others from choosing it.

At least, I don't begrudge people choosing beliefs in higher powers that obey internal consistency - anything that doesn't make sense according to it's own rules is fair game.

One of the things people often forget is that the entirety of science is based on the assumption that the evidence of your senses is correct - even after science has shown that this isn't always the case. So atheists are in exactly the same boat as religious types.

This isn't the same thing as saying "all points of view could be true", though - just of saying that the "no proof" argument isn't valid.

If people want to debate the falsity of a religion, the only valid way to do it is to point out logical inconsistencies.
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