Aspies For Freedom - Why christianity is wrong

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

I also thought that the phrase "son of God" mean no more no less than simply "human", thanks for letting me see I'm not the only one.

I think the original phrase was "Son of Man"... As far as I know, he never actually said anything about being God - that was more Constantines' doing.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

So it is urgent that I spend money I cannot afford, for a piece of paper that won't help me one iota, at the age of 49 - but you and your friend were ok waiting until you were 56?,

If you have it you can afford to spend $$ on a diagnosis..If you did motorcycles you can afford to spend $$ on diagnosis... You chose to have 5 kids.... Now you complain about no money.

It is best to be diagnosed early so progress can be made.. just guessing doesn't work. As for the motorcycles.. give them up and get medical help.

No you are not us... We have one child each....we have years of education under our belts , family who worked with us, and trained ourselves with NO internet help...... to livewith NTs and work successfully... My friend is suffering... I suffered.. and If I had known I had Aspergers at an early age I would have spent what it took to get a diagnosis and information.

If you can move a family of 7 from one country to another around the world... you can spend $$ to get diagnosed.

Hanging on these boards is not a substitute for medical help.

Max are you a doctor? You don't even have Asperger's first accoreding to you and then from many others. You have no authority to give people medical advice. Doctors are not only about meds but correct CBT.

You are a secondary school social studies teacher who for some odd reason wants to stay on an aspie board when he does not even has asperger's . Most your posts are about the World according to Max and you try to chase off anyone who disagrees according to MANY .

. You have other disorders... list them. I can help you find the appropriate boads Smile

As for me... I have a great report from several doctors... what are you afraid of Max? Why do you fear doctors? I have a good idea what your disorder challenges are.. but try to get to the point you will discuss them in public. Telling people who have medical challenges not to seek professional help is major destructive.

Max the Bear Wrote:

hrick Wrote:

some��MD's will dole out meds without psychiatric diagnosis and followup, especially for things like depression. It is regrettable but true.

But especially in the wonderful world of high-profit HMO's psychiatrists are widely and increasingly reduced to being hit-and-run pill-slingers.

Not everyone with AS has the staggering plethora of comorbid conditions that characterize Yeti's condition. In those cases, there's little a pyschiatrist is going to do for Asperger's. Even if those disorders are present, psychiatrists can throw pills day and night and the patient may still turn out no better off than Yeti.

I'm not anti-meds at all. But for people with asperger's, to set out on a pill quest is seldom a complete answer.

No I am not a doctor hence I tell people see one. Smile

anything I mention is just dictionary words.. not a recommend... hence I encourage everyone to see a professional ...... OH? Did this one include Max? Its more like Da "group" is obsessed avec moi. More like it. Wink

Always always see a doctor... never take medical advice on the internet including NOT to see a doctor. Smile

Mahler5 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

This is exactly where are you mistaken.. Psychiatrists are medical doctors .. if you have a disorder that can be neutrialized by medication.. yes it can... Lithium for Bi Polar.. and many other medications... Also CBT along with medication. Lexapro is another new medication for OCD and other disorders... as ewell as depression... Only a doctor can mix those coctails to work effectively.��If you dont' try , you don't get better...

Yetti-you are not a doctor either, and listing medications here-some of which could be potentially harmful for some people- is not helping anyone.
I understand that perhaps your goal is to try to help people?
May I suggest that you try not to be so obsessive about Max? It seems that every other post of yours starts with, or includes his name..
( doesn't that just sound so familiar?!)

PS: Reminder... those meds I listed are couple of many medications which are obtained by prescription only and by the observation and monitoring of a licensed physician. NO way am I advocating any particular person to such names... they were simple examples drawn out of my hat... If they are in your possession... and you have not seen a doctor, then they are illegally being used.. Never use illegal substances or controlled substances w/o a doctors prescription.

And no ... Illegal drugs nor alcohol will help.. all you will become is a drunk Aspie with other disorders Smile

Thank you

Yetti Wrote:

No I am not a doctor hence I tell people see one. Smile

anything I mention is just dictionary words.. not a recommend... hence I encourage everyone to see a professional ......��OH? Did this one include Max?��Its more like Da "group" is obsessed avec moi.��More like it. Wink

Always always see a doctor... never take medical advice on the internet including NOT to see a doctor. Smile

Mahler5 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

This is exactly where are you mistaken.. Psychiatrists are medical doctors .. if you have a disorder that can be neutrialized by medication.. yes it can... Lithium for Bi Polar.. and many other medications... Also CBT along with medication. Lexapro is another new medication for OCD and other disorders... as ewell as depression... Only a doctor can mix those coctails to work effectively.��If you dont' try , you don't get better...

Yetti-you are not a doctor either, and listing medications here-some of which could be potentially harmful for some people- is not helping anyone.
I understand that perhaps your goal is to try to help people?
May I suggest that you try not to be so obsessive about Max? It seems that every other post of yours starts with, or includes his name..
( doesn't that just sound so familiar?!)

Mahler5 Wrote:

It seems that every other post of yours starts with, or includes his name..
( doesn't that just sound so familiar?!)

Perhaps that means I am responding to his posts! WOW!

Also I noted in your profile ,you too are not diagnosed. Doesn't Canada have socialized medicine?

Mahler5 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Also I noted in your profile ,you too are not diagnosed. Doesn't Canada have socialized medicine?

Is it my turn? Smile
well, you could read all about Canada's health care system -in this
interesting paper: Socialized Medicine-the Canadian Experience by Pierre Lemieux-
just one of many articles that could help answer the question.

Thanks... Good enough for ME! Smile

Ahh so there is no reason NOT to be diagnosed.��Do let me know what your diagnosis is, when you find out.�After all you paid for thsoe Canadian Taxes for all that free care. � Smile

Yetti Wrote:

Mahler5 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Also I noted in your profile ,you too are not diagnosed. Doesn't Canada have socialized medicine?

Is it my turn? Smile
well, you could read all about Canada's health care system -in this
interesting paper: Socialized Medicine-the Canadian Experience by Pierre Lemieux-
just one of many articles that could help answer the question.

Thanks... Good enough for ME! Smile

Mahler5 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Mahler5 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Also I noted in your profile ,you too are not diagnosed. Doesn't Canada have socialized medicine?

Is it my turn? Smile
well, you could read all about Canada's health care system -in this
interesting paper: Socialized Medicine-the Canadian Experience by Pierre Lemieux-
just one of many articles that could help answer the question.

Thanks... Good enough for ME! Smile

Yay! Not even officially "freely" diagnosed, and I helped someone on this board! Smile

No good deed goes unpunished Smile

Ian Wrote:

*Palpatine* Sometimes they can even be.....rewarded.

;p

Palatine...... My fav is Dostum of Uzbek.. I want to do his portrait....

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40...zai203.jpg

Ian Wrote:

Well I was on about the Emperor from starwars, but I suppose the similarities are there Tongue

You need to see Dostum in his Uzek warlord outfit.. .He looks like that!��He is as deadly.

Yetti Wrote:

Evil I looked at all your examples and all did not live up to your assumptions .... and false statements about my intentions... OR CONCLUSIONS.. YOU PROVED NOTHING EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING

I can only guess again you either have reading comprehension challenges or you are intentionally spinning.

You did not prove your case. Sorry...

Anyone who attacks a person like I was for my beliefs , has emotional problems...and others have backed me up on it .. on this forum and on PMs.

It is one thing to disagree which I accept anyones disagreement and never attack them.. but when someone attacks me personally for my opinion, I will recommend psychiatric help or therapy... recommending doctors is not a negative thing Evil.. You keep referring to doctors and therapists as EVIL .. and insult... it is not...

You don't even notice the other attacking me from the beginnning yet you focus on my counter to their attacks.. This tells me you only want to see me as the perpetrator and the others as victim..

My conclusion at this point is you just don't like me or what I stated, so you will attack me personally by making spins or false claims of attacks, just like the others....

Also anyone who sees medical aide and therapy and CBT as evil and a form of personal attack, I do feel has major challenges especially when they support others to attack people who believe in it.

I will always recommend doctors and therapist to those who attack people for their beliefs..

Evil , you proved only that you disagree with everything I believe and cannot see your ilk's attempts at violence. And that you see any reference to medicine and therapy as an attack. that is ALL you proved.

Smile

My point is that you use psychiatry as a bludgeoning weapon in debates. For example, you declared here that I have "Reading comprehension challenges" because you felt differently than I did about your posts.

You have certain things that you choose not to call "name calling", such as telling someone they have psychiatric problems, or using a group title as an insult - e.g. "You're NT, what would you know", "You self-diagnosed people all use alcohol to self-medicate", or "You're under 25, and therefore not emotionally developed".

Reference to therapy in response to someone seeking help for a significant issue is not a personal attack. Reference to therapy when someone disagrees with you is.

And again, you can choose to keep doing these things, but you will be choosing to be deliberately offensive.

Yetti Wrote:

WRONG! Again Evil.. Rolleyes

you are batting 0.. you see psychiatry as a weapon... that is your problem. Psychiatry and psychology are good.! With people like you , no wonder employers do not want to hire aspies who get medical help.. no wonder aspies and other folks fear going for therapy or to doctors.. you are perpetuating the very descrimnation all aspies face in the NT world.. being labeled for seeking help...

You are digging a grave for the success for all aspies by eluding that psychiatrists are weapons and dark and evil..

Therapy and psychiatry are as normal and good as having a doctor fix a scratch on your arm...

I think you want aspies to suffer and be discriminated...

that is sad>.. when so many could get great support and help from the medical community... tskers tskers.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Evil I looked at all your examples and all did not live up to your assumptions .... and false statements about my intentions... OR CONCLUSIONS.. YOU PROVED NOTHING EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING

I can only guess again you either have reading comprehension challenges or you are intentionally spinning.

You did not prove your case. Sorry...

Anyone who attacks a person like I was for my beliefs , has emotional problems...and others have backed me up on it .. on this forum and on PMs.

It is one thing to disagree which I accept anyones disagreement and never attack them.. but when someone attacks me personally for my opinion, I will recommend psychiatric help or therapy... recommending doctors is not a negative thing Evil.. You keep referring to doctors and therapists as EVIL .. and insult... it is not...

You don't even notice the other attacking me from the beginnning yet you focus on my counter to their attacks.. This tells me you only want to see me as the perpetrator and the others as victim..

My conclusion at this point is you just don't like me or what I stated, so you will attack me personally by making spins or false claims of attacks, just like the others....

Also anyone who sees medical aide and therapy and CBT as evil and a form of personal attack, I do feel has major challenges especially when they support others to attack people who believe in it.

I will always recommend doctors and therapist to those who attack people for their beliefs..

Evil , you proved only that you disagree with everything I believe and cannot see your ilk's attempts at violence. And that you see any reference to medicine and therapy as an attack. that is ALL you proved.

Smile

My point is that you use psychiatry as a bludgeoning weapon in debates. For example, you declared here that I have "Reading comprehension challenges" because you felt differently than I did about your posts.

You have certain things that you choose not to call "name calling", such as telling someone they have psychiatric problems, or using a group title as an insult - e.g. "You're NT, what would you know", "You self-diagnosed people all use alcohol to self-medicate", or "You're under 25, and therefore not emotionally developed".

Reference to therapy in response to someone seeking help for a significant issue is not a personal attack. Reference to therapy when someone disagrees with you is.

And again, you can choose to keep doing these things, but you will be choosing to be deliberately offensive.

Again, I specified references to therapy for non-significant issues as being offensive.

Reference to therapy to a person seeking help is fine.

Reference to therapy for people not seeking help is an insult.

Yetti Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Again, I specified references to therapy for non-significant issues as being offensive.

Reference to therapy to a person seeking help is fine.

Reference to therapy for people not seeking help is an insult.

You are making erroneous assumptions again and I do think you do not have the capabilities to understand what I have been trying to help you with.

My references to therapy were on target. Not used as a weapon but definite helpful advice for anyone who has not sought help... attacking people via name callling like several have sited for you here and you dismiss their posts and mine mean you are intentionally refusing to see those persons using name calling as a bullying attack.. for some reason you must see it as normal behavior if you cannot see it needing therapy...

Your logic is not only invalid.. its not true.. take some logic.

And you are doing harm to people by supporting bullying name callling and not seeing it meriting medical help or therapy for their sake and that of aspies who are being victimized by it.

You can repeat all you like evil. .it will not make you right... violence is violence no matter how your try to sweeten it or side step it.

First off, here's an example of something else you've chosen to exclude from name calling:

"you do not have the capabilities to understand"

In most cases, when name calling occurs it is because you have commenced it, but chosen to exclude your own style of name calling.

Secondly, it is unlikely that someone angry enough to name call is likely to take your advice about therapy. It seems fairly obvious. Therefore, I can only assume you are using the phrase as an insult, and justifying it to yourself as "advice".

Thirdly, I repeat myself when you misquote or change the context. For example, you stated I was against therapy, whereas I said I did not like suggesting therapy for non-significant issues.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

GuessWho Wrote:

I'd celebrate it the same in June..... here comes Santa Claus on his horse and wagon bringing gifts for the kids..... he has no beard because it is so hot..... and he is thin too.

Actually, no. Christmas in the southern hemisphere IS celebrated in the equivalent of June - and (big & fat & jolly) Santa has the full Coca-Cola outfit, COMPLETE with beard, all the shops have snow scenes and there are wooden snowmen for the kids to stick in the garden.... Rolleyes

Southerner here.
I think we actually eat the same food you do, too. Food that I think is suposed to be eaten in winter, to keep you warm and happy.
I absolutely hate christmas and new year foods. They always make me sick... I usually feed myself on salt crackers for the entire week, because my family bitches at me if I try to escape their family lunchs/dinners to cook my own food. But at least in New Year some people have the good sense of putting our own season's fruits on the table, so I can eat and feel refreshed, and not like someone poured a mountain of hot sand over me.
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