Aspies For Freedom - Why christianity is wrong

Guardian... the very few of you have proved my posts right. Have a great evening. And THANKS to the 10 people who sent me supporting private messages.

guardian001 Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

So it is urgent that I spend money I cannot afford, for a piece of paper that won't help me one iota, at the age of 49 - but you and your friend were ok waiting until you were 56?,

If you have it you can afford to spend $$ on a diagnosis..If you did motorcycles you can afford to spend $$ on diagnosis... You chose to have 5 kids.... Now you complain about no money.

It is best to be diagnosed early so progress can be made..��just guessing doesn't work.��As for the motorcycles.. give them up and get medical help.

No you are not us... We have one child each....we have years of education under our belts , family who worked with us, and trained ourselves with NO internet help...... to livewith NTs and work successfully... My friend is suffering... I suffered.. and If I had known I had Aspergers at an early age I would have spent what it took to get a diagnosis and information.

If you can move a family of 7 from one country to another around the world... you can spend $$ to get diagnosed.

Hanging on these boards is not a substitute for medical help.

what if you have noo money all of it is going twards rent?

Max , its fact. there is one more now. Smile

make it 11.

Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

And THANKS to the 10 people who sent me supporting private messages.

Oh, how sad.

Or is it funny?

Either way, it's a lie.

At any��rate, it appears Dorothy threw a bucket of water on her and she's had a very literal melt down...

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Oh, you didn't answer her question. Did you miss it?

Yes I did miss it...

What if they have no money? in a case where a woman claims she has no $$$ 5 kids and can't afford a diagnosis of all her disorders, and then in the following posts claims her kids are grown, her husband is a head hunter with government benefits and has massive property in Ireland.... ... She has money! She does not want to go to a psychiatrist.

In the case of others who have no $$... state provides psychiatrists.. they do in UK.. they do IN USA.

hrick Wrote:

Guardian asks "what if you have noo money all of it is going twards rent? "

Well then, I guess you have the option of going the public services route. Again, it is a mixed bag.��When practicing there were some providers within the system who were dedicated, exceptional individuals of considerable talent and value... there were others I wouldn't take my dog to. It is all in the luck of the draw.. and a bit of knowing where to draw from.��In consequence some may choose not to bother.��. Others may take a chance and succeed... or fail. Outcome��largely depends on the individual themself as well as who is working the other end of your appointment.

Some benefit from diagnosis. For others simply "knowing" what their difference is, without diaganosis, may be enough. Where additional symptomology presents like depression, add, ocd, etc. for which medication might prove helpful, it might just be worth a try... especially if the worst that could happen is youf being left no better off than where you started... problem is, based on what some have reported, I'm not sure that is the worst that can happen.��Sounds like some of you have suffered far worse for having made the effort.��Can we leave it as it is a highly personal and very difficult decision? No right or wrongs to it.

Mom
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Well stated.. that being said.. self diagnosis is not the best option. we are not practioners and in many disorders as you stated, need professional supervision and decision.. along with .. medication, proper medication is a must to relieve the additional disorders so an aspie can function with less stress .

Actually no we cannot leave it as no right or wrong. too many are living years without medication for the accompanying disorders. this will make working with their asperger's very difficult. A professional diagnosis is a must especially if a person is unemployed or having extreme social anxiety.

For example... my friend is a very successful scientist. makes a 6 figure salary at 56, benefits etc.

yet she is often in extreme anxiety with dealing with personal social issues. she lives for her work yet she is unhappy about the negative social world she lives in due to her aspergers.

A diagnosis can help her.. espeically if there is depression or ADD or ODD or Bi polar or borderline personality disorder.. or even other areas of the brain dealing with schezophrenia. she will know what to do to make her social life happier.

guardian001 Wrote:

i guess not. Sad

I am not on line all the time and will try to get the information as soon as I can. Smile

Yes you do have to have the "Wanna" as I usually state. There is often other disorders accompanying Asperger's and more often than not those can be neutral ized.. too often things like OCD which about 25% of all aspies have can be too debilitating to even work with the aspergers or at least make it very difficult... There are meds which neutralize OCD... this is true for Bi Polar or Hyper or Hypo Manic or borderline personallity disorder, or ODD (oppositional Defiant Disorder) etc. Each challenge needs to be taken care of.. this even includes disorders in other areas of the brain and not the basal Ganglia.. such as Schezophrenia or sociopathic disorders.

guardian001 Wrote:

do you have to want a dx to get one though.isnt that the first step?

Yes you do have to have the "Wanna" as I usually state.��There is often other disorders accompanying Asperger's and more often than not those can be neutral ized.. too often things like OCD which about 25% of all aspies have can be too debilitating to even work with the aspergers or at least make it very difficult... There are meds which neutralize OCD... this is true for Bi Polar or Hyper or Hypo Manic��or borderline personallity disorder, or ODD (oppositional Defiant Disorder) etc.��Each challenge needs to be taken care of.. this even includes disorders in other areas of the brain and not the basal Ganglia.. such as Schezophrenia or sociopathic disorders.

guardian001 Wrote:

do you have to want a dx to get one though.isnt that the first step?

GuessWho Wrote:

I think we forgot about religion.

I think it is kind of interesting that I ended up becoming a Christian because I wanted to live a tranquil, amicable life like my residence assistance friends (Buddhist leaning), but never could.

The RAs would frequently talk me out of my attitude against the campus fellowship.��I especially wanted the follow the example of one Rachael Meads, but I could not.��Then I became a Christian and I stopped having anger management problems at individuals or categories of people.

I did thinking about the charity and foreign students thing too.

No, it is not a Christian thing to refuse them, but it would have been more consistent with the behavior of my parents, who were Lutheran only in name.

Somehow I am doubting they would have done as well for themselves if they could have been talked out of their treasures on earth.��

Ever wonder why people who are more successful often hold on to their money better?

I'm not thinking like a Christian I am thinking like a, well, a Marsh.

yes the topic is Christianity. I am a Deist so I will back out of this question at this point.

Might I suggest you ladies take some of your own advice about personal attacks. For people who are claiming to be so fragile, the disruption that is taking place by your own posts, counters any of those helpless claims.

Until anyone here is officially diagnosed as far as I am concerned, they are not taking care of themselves. Too many self misdiagnosed disorders which need medication go unattended by not being officially diagnosed.. This is not 1957 when very little was known and no internet... Today there is no reason not to get professional assist. None.

tenaciouscj Wrote:

woman from mars Wrote:

tenaciouscj Wrote:

Yes, that's exactly right. As far as I'm concerned, I have paid my taxes for years and so have my relatives so if I am in a position where I can't find work and am eligible for a benefit, I will take it with both hands. Pride doesn't put food on the table.

Despite being relatively lightly affected by autism, I have a history of depression and anxiety conditions. That in conjunction with my age (over 35) means little chance of finding a decent job (or in fact, any job) if I left or lost the one I'm now in. So how it is humane to force even worse affected people to try and find non-existent jobs? Why not let them have some dignity and go on a pension if that is what they would prefer?

With a wide-ranging consumption tax such as the GST or VAT, lower income earners and welfare recipients pay a higher proportion of their income in tax than higher income earners. I think they already do their bit so shouldn't be penalised by stricter rules.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

I've been working as a 'casual' since arriving in Australia. I was managing to do everything that was expected of me despite having two untreated heart conditions. My co-workers and the immediate management were very pleased with my work.

Then I had a mini-stroke in June which led to me finally getting my diagnoses. I was put on appropriate medication and told by both my cardiologist and my GP that I was fit for work. In fact, fitter than I had been for years.

My manager and my co-workers were delighted at the prospect of having me back at work but the personnel department at head office reckon I no longer meet their fitness criteria. Now what? I cannot claim any benefits but I cannot see anyone else taking me on either.

Here are two ill, courageous��& wise women who spend a great deal of time helping other people ( a lot more than I ever could ), despite their personal problems.

These two do not carry on & shout at other people because the others disagree.

They help, help & help, often despite the fact that the people who they are trying to help don't or can't listen to their good advice....they persevere because they understand.
They see a problem & do their damnedest to do something about it.

In my opinion they deserve a medal....not dissent.

tenaciouscj...you are quite right pride does not put food on the table.

Thank you kindly, WFM. From the look of things, Tigger is having a much harder time of it at the moment than I am and I hope life improves for her soon.

tenaciouscj Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:

Best Meltdown Ever!! Just irrational, disregulated screaming with no coherent thought process behind it. Shrieking accusations, spouting lies, attacking in every direction!

It's a full-scale Yeti-Fest!

Yep! The fur is really flying! Big Grin

I also think it is quite ludicrous to suggest that we all need therapy. Therapists don't just wave a magic wand and make everything all better.

This is exactly where are you mistaken.. Psychiatrists are medical doctors .. if you have a disorder that can be neutrialized by medication.. yes it can... Lithium for Bi Polar.. and many other medications... Also CBT along with medication. Lexapro is another new medication for OCD and other disorders... as ewell as depression... Only a doctor can mix those coctails to work effectively. If you dont' try , you don't get better...

Nothing wrong with referencing ones parents on decisions.

tenaciouscj Wrote:

GuessWho Wrote:

I think we forgot about religion.

I think it is kind of interesting that I ended up becoming a Christian because I wanted to live a tranquil, amicable life like my residence assistance friends (Buddhist leaning), but never could.

The RAs would frequently talk me out of my attitude against the campus fellowship.��I especially wanted the follow the example of one Rachael Meads, but I could not.��Then I became a Christian and I stopped having anger management problems at individuals or categories of people.

I did thinking about the charity and foreign students thing too.

No, it is not a Christian thing to refuse them, but it would have been more consistent with the behavior of my parents, who were Lutheran only in name.

Somehow I am doubting they would have done as well for themselves if they could have been talked out of their treasures on earth.��

Ever wonder why people who are more successful often hold on to their money better?

I'm not thinking like a Christian I am thinking like a, well, a Marsh.

GuessWho, I think it's time to think for yourself and not base all your decisions on what your parents would have done. Material success does not mean personal success or success in the eyes of God.

alexmagnus Wrote:

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Well stated.. that being said.. self diagnosis is not the best option.

In a case when professionals are "in doubt", it may really be the best option. Take myself. My official diagnosis is social anxiety. But my therapist thinks I have AS. So what now? The only option left - self-diagnosis by comparing the two disorders with own "symptoms". Which I did - and I think it's AS. Now, I'm self-diagnosed, but it appears neither better nor worse than the professional opinion, since THE professional opinion doesn't exist.

BTW my mother thinks I have social anxiety. So, non-professionals are also in doubt hehe.

You have to go to several... a think tank. I have 3 therapists and one psychiatrist who is a leader of his field for 36 yrs. Brilliant man. They at least gave you some information and other opinions to bounce off..that is better than walking in the dark alone. NO way you will get meds legally without a psychiatrist... for any disorder you have.

Very true.. thank you for clarifying... I meant a licensed physician.

hrick Wrote:

Yetti states:

"NO way you will get meds legally without a psychiatrist... for any disorder you have. "

Actually, the above statement is not accurate.��Here in US at least, some��MD's will dole out meds without psychiatric diagnosis and followup, especially for things like depression. It is regrettable but true.��In some certain circumstances I'm sure it has helped the patient, in others I'm equally sure it has lead to disastrous consequences.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

You are describing aspergers as a problem not me Smile

  Stop placing false testimonials as coming from me. Read my posts more carefully

You are encouraging people not to get the help they need from qualified professionals... not only for aspergers but also for other accompanying disorders which often occur with aspergers... for those other disorders there are medications which can help.. to tell them not to see doctors is like telling someone do not get a vaccination or don't get needed medication

Many if not most who are not diagnosed will resort to self medicatiion like alcohol or illegal drugs..... instead of prescribed drugs by a trained professional.  This is a major problem for those with aspergers who have also other disorders....

Who are you to say people who are self diagnosed are getting the proper treatment they need.   DO you know if they are bi polar? Do you know if they have ocd (25% of all aspies have OCD), ADD? ODD?   Those aspies who have accompanying disorders need help including CBT for these.. they cannot do this themselves.  You are giving them a destany of sheer misery by not encouraging getting help.  Shame to all who encourage this.

We should encourage everyone to seek professional help.  YOU see doctors as treating a disease.. I see them as helping  us with  a good path in life.....

BTW Asperger's is a blessing from God. Not a problem Smile

If you believe this, then please stop talking about it as a problem to be treated.

For me, finding this forum was about me wanting to learn about the person I am by sharing the experiences of others. I would have been mortified if someone had replied to me early on by saying "You have problems. Go to a psychiatrist".

This is the crux of the issue people have with you.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

BTW Asperger's is a blessing from God. Not a problem Smile

If you believe this, then please stop talking about it as a problem to be treated.

For me, finding this forum was about me wanting to learn about the person I am by sharing the experiences of others. I would have been mortified if someone had replied to me early on by saying "You have problems. Go to a psychiatrist".

This is the crux of the issue people have with you.

what other disorders do YOU have along with Aspergers? The problem is that people are not treating other disorders they may have along with aspergers.. there is no treatment for aspergers! There is nothing wrong with aspergers... There are methods for children to learn to live in an NT world.. You want to deny aspie children of this help?

There is treatment for accompanying disorders which make life very difficult for aspies. There is therapy to help an aspie function in an NT world that does not understand our world and our heads.... this can make for a very difficult life especially in finding a job..