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I love the sn.. Woman from Mars Smile  It fits so well for female aspies. We are.

woman from mars Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
"superior" group are prone to crying "Offensive! Offensive!" when people of the oppressed group speak up. They can't say they are actually being harmed, oppressed or otherwise molested, so they say "I am offended" and expect the world to come to a halt. It's a joke, really. "Oh, you're offended? Really? Oh, dear, what can we do?" I see 'that is offensive!" being used as a tool of the oppressors to silence dissenting speech and actions.


I think that you have hit the nail on the head.
I would also add that many oppressors use devious behind the scenes methods in order to  obtain / maintain their objectives & to further oppress.

Freedom of speech is essential to obtain / maintain balance & equality.

It amazes me far left libs  see Black Conservatives as subserviant or puppets.. they cannot fathom many blacks are conservative.  How racist to think blacks are only libs who feign conservatives and if they are conservative they have no mind of their own.. HOW racists is THAT?  WOAH1

Some of you  need to read Star parkers Book "Uncle Sam's Plantation" And Clarence Thomas New book where he exposes the racism of the far left and their attitude about blacks.  Far left is far more racist than the Republican Party.  How racist to think that blacks cannot think for themselves if they are conservative.  

I have seen more racism with the far left and in the NE than I ever have anywhere else especially as disguised racism.

Max the Bear Wrote:

Lucie1 Wrote:
people who are able to take advantage are often blind to the benefits.


Agreed. Willfully blind. They hate having to see it. And I don't really understand why. They (we) have so much, why not be generous enough to at least contribute some honesty to the discussion.


Lucie1 Wrote:
Condoleeza comes across to me as being a puppet.


There is a certain sort of black person that the right-wingers just love -- and subservience is a big part of it.

It amazes me far left libs  see Black Conservatives as subserviant or puppets.. they cannot fathom many blacks are conservative.  How racist to think blacks are only libs who feign conservatives and if they are conservative they have no mind of their own.. HOW racists is THAT?  WOAH1

Some of you  need to read Star parkers Book "Uncle Sam's Plantation" And Clarence Thomas New book where he exposes the racism of the far left and their attitude about blacks.  Far left is far more racist than the Republican Party.  How racist to think that blacks cannot think for themselves if they are conservative.  

I have seen more racism with the far left and in the NE than I ever have anywhere else especially as disguised racism.

Max the Bear Wrote:

Lucie1 Wrote:
people who are able to take advantage are often blind to the benefits.


Agreed. Willfully blind. They hate having to see it. And I don't really understand why. They (we) have so much, why not be generous enough to at least contribute some honesty to the discussion.


Lucie1 Wrote:
Condoleeza comes across to me as being a puppet.


There is a certain sort of black person that the right-wingers just love -- and subservience is a big part of it.

I look for the best candidate.  But I encourage people to read the books of Star Parker and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:
I humbly hope you didn't read my post thinking that I have no respect for Ms Rice.

I have enormous respect for anyone who manages to get as far as she has - and especially against odds that her boss cannot fathom.

I was actually expressing disgust with President Bush for his appallingly condescending attitude.

I would have far greater respect for the USA if Ms Rice were president, despite the fact that I disagree with her politics.

But I have a horrible suspicion that although the US will eventually elect a non-WASP-male president, the powers behind the scenes will orchestrate it so that their presidency will be perceived as an abysmal failure. Then they will say:

"We tried a  *gay/female/black/native american/non-christian/all of the above* president and look what happened!"

and go back to electing each other.

OH ? Just because you say so?Hmmm. My statements make total sense .  As for definition of racists and racism .. again I refer you to Star Parker's books and to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.  Lets talk after you read their books.

Lets see you call Parker a Clown. A woman who is a mulimillionaire before 45?  Whose daughter is now head of her business? Hmmm That is sort of like calling Bill Gates a Clown.

Thomas Is only unqualified to you because you disagree with his veiw point.  What are your qualifications to say he is unqualified? Do you know where his law degree is from and his history.  He is the most popular justice with the clerks at the SUpreme Court and his opinions have been compared to the though process of Thomas Jefferson.. Another aspie Smile



Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
It amazes me far left libs  see Black Conservatives as subserviant or puppets.. they cannot fathom many blacks are conservative.  


Yetti, it's clear you don 't know what you're talking about. The conservative/Republican/neo-con establishment has consistently governed against the interests of black people for decades. I can "fathom" that there are black conservatives. Perhaps you can fathom that they are a distinct minority of black voters for very good reason.

Yetti Wrote:
How racist to think blacks are only libs who feign conservatives


It's hard to respond to that, Yetti, since it made absolutely no sense..


Yetti Wrote:
HOW racists is THAT?  WOAH1


Please explain racism to me, Yetti. I mean You're calling me racist, in your own incoherent way, so you must be less ignorant about it than you sound. Enlighten me. Explain my racism to me.

Yetti Wrote:
Some of you  need to read Star parkers Book "Uncle Sam's Plantation" And Clarence Thomas New book where he exposes the racism of the far left and their attitude about blacks.  Far left is far more racist than the Republican Party.  How racist to think that blacks cannot think for themselves if they are conservative.  


Star Parker? Clarence Thomas? You only prove my point. The conservatives will elevate a miserable, unqualified hack like Thomas to the Supreme Court, and a clown like Parker to "pundit" status as long as they can be used against black people. I had no idea anyone was fool enough to actually buy that crap. Glad to meet you, Yetti.

Yetti Wrote:
I have seen more racism with the far left than I ever have anywhere else ...


That is so patently false that you either know you're lying or this is a sanity issue. It's interesting that only extreme right-wing white people (and a handful of self-loathing black lap-dogs) even pretend to agree with you. I guess the 85 - 90% of black people who abhor the right-wing politics of Thomas and Parker are just too ignorant to know any better. They need you to straighten them out, Yetti. How racist is that?

Max your lack of research ability is showing. Star attacks teh welfare system not black people. She is black. Obviously you have not read her books. Obviously you have not read Clarence Thomas' books.  I suggest a vacation from this board and read.  They are not novels so it should not be a problem for an aspie esp one who is a social studies teacher.  Let me know when you read the books and we will talk more.  Otherwise you are just ranting with no substantial information based on fact.


Max the Bear Wrote:
Clarence Thomas is the least qualified Supreme Court placement in living memory. He had only two "qualifications." 1) he was black, and it was politically necessary for Bush Sr. to replace Marshall with another black justice, and 2) he was a hard-core conservative. There were no qualified black conservatives (for self-evident reasons) so they appointed an unqualified stooge. As was the case his entire life, Thomas got ahead on the basis of race, then used his position to prevent other blacks from getting ahead.

Star Parker is a political prostitute who makes her money by trashing black people for white racist audiences and selling crappy books to racists like you.

These are your sources for your wisdom on racial matters? Please. You are the proof against your own argument. An anti-black black person will always find a place of reverence with anti-black white racists.

I am a Deist. [/font]
Max no where did I say homosexuality is an illness.. this is what gets you into trouble , crediting false statements to others.


Max you are an NT hanging around here. An NT swelling with other disorders and no cause, no doctors, and just looking for people to hang on.  A wannabee....

You have yet to tell ANY of us your disorders (even though they stick out like a sore thumb)  

Again Max everything you state is made by an NT who has serious problem when they make such accusations that I hate. I can only imgine what false statements you made about new people in here.  Like Eddie Haskle of Leave it to Beaver.. or the kid who could not get along with others and had to spread false rumors.

  I think you hate yourself. That is too bad.

Max I am an aspie.. you are not. Live with it. I am sorry God did not bless you with the greatness we have received from being aspies.. You will have to take your other disorders and go to a doctor and have them work with you.


Max the Bear Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:


b) I believe most people on the forum will support people seeking psychiatric help for problems. What we don't support is ramming psychiatry down peoples throats every single post, or telling people to seek psychiatric help when they don't agree with you. People come here to share experiences, not to get contacts for psychiatrists.


d) Finally, the reason I, personally, have a problem with you is that you seem to believe that Aspergers is nothing more than a problem that has to be dealt with - which is exactly what this board is about getting away from. I found the rarest of things here - a group of self-actualised, intelligent, creative, caring and generally amazing people that actually like who they are.

I'm writing this mostly for others reading along, as I believe Yetti is a lost cause. The only thing I can say to Yetti is to have a look at the curebie forums - you'll probably find people more like yourself there, and you'll actually be doing us a favour by disrupting them.


Damn -- brilliant, EZ. Exactly. Yeti is like the people who think being gay is a sickness and the only answer is to turn everybody straight. Similarly, Asperger's is not a sickness and becoming NT is neither possible or preferable. That belief creates what you call "a group of self-actualised, intelligent, creative, caring and generally amazing people that actually like who they are."

If you were to go back and look at Yeti's posts from her fist invasion, you'll see what contempt she has for AS. Her great boasting is about how she overcame and rose above this "disorder" for which she has such disdain. Just look at her assaults on Sarah, Rossco, Woman from Mars, etc. to see how she attacks them for being AS. Just as gay people know self-hating gays, Yeti is now our resident self-hating Aspie.

I think your description of a free and proud community of people who love themselves as they are is beautiful. It's a community Yeti can't imagine.

Yawn ! Nt Max!  Find another sandbox.


Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
NT Max... Now I see what the PMs were tellling me about you. Smile

Aspie women are tasty.  NT wannabees are not! Big Grin  You poor guy!  


Judging from your last several responses, I assume they said "He has revealed you for a liar and a lunatic. Try responding like a four year old and try to arouse his pity."

WRONG!  Again Evil..Rolleyes you are batting 0.. you see psychiatry as a weapon... that is your problem. Psychiatry and psychology are good.! With people like you , no wonder employers do not want to hire aspies who get medical help.. no wonder aspies and other folks fear going for therapy or to doctors.. you are perpetuating the very descrimnation all aspies face in the NT world.. being labeled for seeking help...

You are digging a grave for the success for all aspies by eluding that psychiatrists are weapons and dark and evil..

Therapy and psychiatry are as normal and good as having a doctor fix a scratch on your arm...

I think you want aspies to suffer and be discriminated...

that is sad>.. when so many could get great support and help from the medical community... tskers tskers.


EvilZakkie Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
Evil I looked at all your examples and all did not live up to your assumptions .... and false statements about my intentions... OR CONCLUSIONS.. YOU PROVED NOTHING EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING

I can only guess again you either have reading comprehension challenges or you are intentionally spinning.

You did not prove your case.  Sorry...

Anyone who attacks a person like I was for my beliefs , has emotional problems...and others have backed me up on it .. on this forum and on PMs.

It is one thing to disagree which I accept anyones disagreement and never attack them.. but when someone attacks me personally for my opinion, I will recommend psychiatric help or therapy... recommending doctors is not a negative thing Evil.. You keep referring to doctors and therapists as EVIL .. and insult... it is not...

You don't even notice the other attacking me from the beginnning yet you focus on my counter to their attacks.. This tells me you only want to see me as the perpetrator and the others as victim..

My conclusion at this point is you just don't like me or what I stated, so you will attack me personally by making spins or false claims of attacks, just like the others....

Also anyone who sees medical aide and therapy and CBT as evil and a form of  personal attack, I do feel has major challenges especially when they support others to attack people who believe in it.

I will always recommend doctors and therapist to those who attack people for their beliefs..

Evil , you proved only that you disagree with everything I believe and cannot see your ilk's attempts at violence. And that you see any reference to medicine and therapy as an attack. that is ALL you proved.

Smile


My point is that you use psychiatry as a bludgeoning weapon in debates. For example, you declared here that I have "Reading comprehension challenges" because you felt differently than I did about your posts.

You have certain things that you choose not to call "name calling", such as telling someone they have psychiatric problems, or using a group title as an insult - e.g. "You're NT, what would you know", "You self-diagnosed people all use alcohol to self-medicate", or "You're under 25, and therefore not emotionally developed".

Reference to therapy in response to someone seeking help for a significant issue is not a personal attack. Reference to therapy when someone disagrees with you is.

And again, you can choose to keep doing these things, but you will be choosing to be deliberately offensive.

NT Max... I am one of the brightest persons of ANY age on this board. Live with it,  or people will definitely feel you are a testosterone challenged wannabee Smile     I have the experience! Wink


Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Wrong , Evil I was stating people who use name callling need help.


And yet you do it constantly. Not well, not imaginatively, not accurately, not cleverly, but constantly. Do you even read your posts, Yeti? I mean, I can understand why you might not, but really -- it might help you bridge the massive gulf between who you are and who you pretend to be.

Yetti Wrote:
I would like to think youre reading comprehension is not up to parr..  I will watch and see before I check you character on that.


You're attacking his reading comprehension and you can't even write the attack at a seventh grade level. Rolleyes  Zakkie is one of the brightest young people at AFF and an excellent writer, and you -- who can rarely write a coherent sentence -- want to attack his reading comprehension?

And then you will check his character?

Yeti, for someone with no discernible sense of humor, you sure make me laugh.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Again, I specified references to therapy for non-significant issues as being offensive.

Reference to therapy to a person seeking help is fine.

Reference to therapy for people not seeking help is an insult.


You are making erroneous assumptions again and I do think you do not have the capabilities to understand what I have been trying to help you with.

My references to therapy were on target. Not used as a weapon but definite helpful advice for anyone who has not sought help... attacking people via name callling like several have sited for you here and you dismiss their posts and mine mean you are intentionally refusing to see those persons using name calling as a bullying attack.. for some reason you must see it as normal behavior if you cannot see it needing therapy...

Your logic is not only invalid.. its not true.. take some logic.

And you are doing harm to people by supporting bullying name callling and not seeing it meriting medical help or therapy for their sake and that of aspies who are being victimized by it.

You can repeat all you like evil. .it will not make you right... violence is violence no matter how your try to sweeten it or side step it.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Again, I specified references to therapy for non-significant issues as being offensive.

Reference to therapy to a person seeking help is fine.

Reference to therapy for people not seeking help is an insult.


You are making erroneous assumptions again and I do think you do not have the capabilities to understand what I have been trying to help you with.

My references to therapy were on target. Not used as a weapon but definite helpful advice for anyone who has not sought help... attacking people via name callling like several have sited for you here and you dismiss their posts and mine mean you are intentionally refusing to see those persons using name calling as a bullying attack.. for some reason you must see it as normal behavior if you cannot see it needing therapy...

Your logic is not only invalid.. its not true.. take some logic.

And you are doing harm to people by supporting bullying name callling and not seeing it meriting medical help or therapy for their sake and that of aspies who are being victimized by it.

You can repeat all you like evil. .it will not make you right... violence is violence no matter how your try to sweeten it or side step it.


First off, here's an example of something else you've chosen to exclude from name calling:

"you do not have the capabilities to understand"

In most cases, when name calling occurs it is because you have commenced it, but chosen to exclude your own style of name calling.

Secondly, it is unlikely that someone angry enough to name call is likely to take your advice about therapy. It seems fairly obvious. Therefore, I can only assume you are using the phrase as an insult, and justifying it to yourself as "advice".

Thirdly, I repeat myself when you misquote or change the context. For example, you stated I was against therapy, whereas I said I did not like suggesting therapy for non-significant issues.


Wrong again Evil... others have posted the insults on here thrown at me.. I did not even have to. YOu refuse to acknowledge it..from them and me.

You have misquoted and changed the context.. I have been saying that about you &  now you have adopted it for your own arguement because the others fell apart. Keep trying Lad!

Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

NT Max... I am one of the brightest persons of ANY age on this board. Live with it.  


It's your fantasy, hon. You live with it. And I think you sincerely believe you are. That's what's fun about a manic phase. No wonder you won't take your meds.


NT Max be a good boy and go over to Braves thread on "are there NTs who want to be an Aspie"  You are our token NT who is an aspie wannabee . Go help the guy out .  The thread is dedicated to you Smile You may become famous!

Yetti Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

NT Max... I am one of the brightest persons of ANY age on this board. Live with it.  


It's your fantasy, hon. You live with it. And I think you sincerely believe you are. That's what's fun about a manic phase. No wonder you won't take your meds.


NT Max be a good boy and go over to Braves thread on "are there NTs who want to be an Aspie"  You are our token NT who is an aspie wannabee . Go help the guy out .  The thread is dedicated to you Smile You may become famous!


PS MAX... I am not your hon!  YOu are gay.. I am female.. don't let this female aspie mind confuse u into thinking I am a guy Wink    .. Plus I am happily married for 32 yrs....The only Hon I have is my husband who is my most perfect person..  >.>YAWNING>>  BED TIME>>. NITE

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