Aspies For Freedom - Why christianity is wrong

Max the Bear Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Max your lack of research ability is showing. Star attacks teh welfare system not black people. She is black. Obviously you have not read her books. Obviously you have not read Clarence Thomas' books.��I suggest a vacation from this board and read.��They are not novels so it should not be a problem for an aspie esp one who is a social studies teacher.��Let me know when you read the books and we will talk more.��Otherwise you are just ranting with no substantial information based on fact.

I don't need to turn in book reports to a crazy lady in order to discuss racism.

Your assertion that there are no facts and no substantial information outside of four books written (ghostwritten, actually) by two radical self-loathing right-wing authors is ridiculous.

The right wing has its small (very small) but well-paying cottage industry of anti-black black people (like Parker and Alan Keys) anti-female females (Ann Coulter, who advocates taking the vote away from women) and anti-gay gay people (Bush buddy "Jeff Gannon" and Matt Sanchez) who are despised by their own people and who pander to the bigotry of people like yourself.

You make this increasingly transparent with each progressively loonier post.

Max name calling is not a discussion. I hope this is not what you do in your social studies classroom.

tenaciouscj Wrote:

We get the same thing in Australia with people talking about those awful "dole bludgers" and "single mums" and forgetting how big the pollies' pensions are going to be. The truth is, just about anybody could end up losing their job and not being able to get another one. At least the politicians in that situation are guaranteed a generous pension for the rest of their lives.

Most single parents are those whose marriages have broken up or are widowed. The parenting payment is a pittance but once there are a few kids, it is not much less than some of the more low-paid jobs. So, a few parents work out it is better to stay home with the kids. They are a minority though and in the big scheme of things, cost very few taxpayer dollars.

It's also forgotten by some that we ALL pay taxes, whether we are in the paid workforce or not! This is because we pay GST on just about everything we buy. So, welfare recipients also pay taxes - the same taxes that the self-righteous proclaim should be withheld from welfare.

I disagree about just staying home with the kids . Working gives experience for better paying jobs.. and training.. Welfare is not working.. My mother and mil were both widows at an early age. Neither took welfare. I am against the welfare system unless the parties are getting training to get a job or psychiatric help for their disorders which make them un employable. Welfare does more harm than good. A entry job always pays less, hence you need to put in your training time to get the better paying job.

To accept doom of entry only is not healthy, esp for aspies.
As an aspie, if one is taking welfare, is one getting the help to adjust to the working world to make a life for themselves? There are more programs today which help aspies to ajust in the world of business, whether one isa parent or not they should try.

If one can have sex and be a parent but can one support her/his children? Is that responsible? Producing children one cannot support? Welfare has been shown not to work.

No they don't.. there are always private charities... but an empty stomach gives incentive to work.. as seen by these statements.. why work when they give you free money.. its called lack of incentive and welfare creates that... They found giving homeless $35,000 in San Francisco did not work.. they spent the $$ on drugs and booze and still lived on the street asking for food.

tenaciouscj Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

tenaciouscj Wrote:

We get the same thing in Australia with people talking about those awful "dole bludgers" and "single mums" and forgetting how big the pollies' pensions are going to be. The truth is, just about anybody could end up losing their job and not being able to get another one. At least the politicians in that situation are guaranteed a generous pension for the rest of their lives.

Most single parents are those whose marriages have broken up or are widowed. The parenting payment is a pittance but once there are a few kids, it is not much less than some of the more low-paid jobs. So, a few parents work out it is better to stay home with the kids. They are a minority though and in the big scheme of things, cost very few taxpayer dollars.

It's also forgotten by some that we ALL pay taxes, whether we are in the paid workforce or not! This is because we pay GST on just about everything we buy. So, welfare recipients also pay taxes - the same taxes that the self-righteous proclaim should be withheld from welfare.

I disagree about just staying home with the kids . Working gives experience for better paying jobs.. and training..�� Welfare is not working.. My mother and mil were both widows at an early age.��Neither took welfare.��I am against the welfare system unless the parties are getting training to get a job or psychiatric help for their disorders which make them un employable.��Welfare does more harm than good.��A entry job always pays less, hence you need to put in your training time to get the better paying job.��

To accept doom of entry only is not healthy, esp for aspies.
As an aspie, if one is taking welfare, is one getting the help to adjust to the working world to make a life for themselves? There are more programs today which help aspies to ajust in the world of business, whether one��isa parent or not they should try.

If one can have sex and be a parent but can one support her/his children? Is that responsible? Producing children one cannot support? Welfare has been shown not to work.

Having no welfare has been shown to lead to people dying on the streets. Is that what you want to see - poor people dying of curable illnesses because they can't afford to see the doctor, dying of exposure because they can't afford the often extortionate rents that are charged nowadays or getting mugged?

As Quickduck said, where is the compassion in all that?

How are the single parents going to find somebody to mind their children while they are doing a training course? Or are they going to leave them in the charge of the eldest child who might only be 8 or 9 years old or even younger? Not only does that mean this child misses out on being just a child, would they be qualified to act sensibly in the event of a disaster such as a fire or one of the children cutting themselves deeply or falling?

I've no quibble with training courses as such, but you have to mind the practicalities. Plus, there just aren't enough jobs to go around, especially for older people. Employers can pick and choose who they want in the entry level positions especially.

It all boils down to most people not meeting your standard of perfection and as Max said, calls to get rid of welfare show the ugly face of right wing ideology. These same politicians who bleat about those "wicked and lazy welfare recipients" never had it hard in their lives or forget where they came from (which to my mind is even more contemptible) and are quite happy to subsist on taxpayer dollars whilst making their rabid rants.

Health conditions in this country you receive Social security.. My cousins who has aspergers and OCD gets it for his OCD.. He will not get any treatment for his OCD....
yet he will live on the social security and go to the food bank... ACLU made it possible for family not to get their adult family members treatment... He also milks his condition to others as an excuse for his sometimes violent behavior when he self medicates on wine. He can live at his fathers home but he does not want to be near his nephew// so he complains and whines.. phones people when he is drunk how sad his life is and we sstate we will get you to a clinic to help wth the OCD and medication he says no.... and disappears for a while until he runs out of money... He choses that life....

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

I've been working as a 'casual' since arriving in Australia. I was managing to do everything that was expected of me despite having two untreated heart conditions. My co-workers and the immediate management were very pleased with my work.

Then I had a mini-stroke in June which led to me finally getting my diagnoses. I was put on appropriate medication and told by both my cardiologist and my GP that I was fit for work. In fact, fitter than I had been for years.

My manager and my co-workers were delighted at the prospect of having me back at work but the personnel department at head office reckon I no longer meet their fitness criteria. Now what? I cannot claim any benefits but I cannot see anyone else taking me on either.

I get the feeling some people are on this board all the time because they are not in therapy and/or they on are the societies payroll and not working.   I do feel one can create their own internet jobs or search for work where they are not with the public is they are acting like this...

I am against Public welfare and it would behoove an aspie and society to get $$ for Behavioral therapy and not sitting on the internet all day.

Attacking people in discussions will not serve to help an aspie learn need skills to work with others in a social group.

To many are not even diagnosed here, meaning they probably have other disorders which are not being addressed. And those disorders can be often neutralized iwth medication.

Its basically a free for all in disguise .

If you don't go to the conferences, which they now provide on line... an aspie will not grow and learn skills to ever work.

Coffee breaks from living on welfare all day.. doesn't cut it.. that is like having a coffee break from a coffee break.

Apsies need a diagnosis of aspgergers and its accompanying disorders..

A free for all and expecting an on going pity party will just keep an aspie stagnant and not productive.

The issues discussed here can be found in more controlled places. .esp if there are people on the board using controlled substances illegally and venting on the internet.

No its not.. some already stated they are or are waiting to be. No where did I state all. And many have stated they are self diagnosed. Considering other disorder ride along asperger's , those disorders are not being handled.

No where did I belittle people. As I stated before if you are uncomfortable with the facts so be it.  Don't blame others.

There are many who are showing that they do not even understand their asperger's much less the other behavior they are exhibiting that reflect possible other disorders.  This makes for Bedlham..... Just post after post of attacks each day or hour.

One here who is the most verbal in personal attacks did not even know what an aspie melt down is. That makes me suspect of this person even have aspergers.. this is the internet... anyone can claim anything.

I am sure there ae some who are even involved with illegal drugs for self medication.  And are these people suppose to have coherant communication?

It is fact pedophelia is heavy on the internet.. I would not be too surprized if the board carries a few and they are the first to attack  me for discussing it.

Welfare does little except to make a person dependant and not seek their own achievements....the best thing we can do as society is to make sure children are diagnosed early, educate their parents and the public, and provide medication which helps.

People can create their own businesses on the internet if they cannot work in the public... but to me, being versitile has a better chance of survival...

The more we can educate society about asperger's , the better it will be for aspies and the world.   Having any tom dick or harry come on these boards and act like sheer hooligans does nothing for the cause of those of us who truly have Aspergers.

In fact its embarassing to see such behavior touted as from an aspie.
Therefore these boards, with exception of fact communication mean little.

2% of us are functionally employed... the percentage of that 2% for great success is even smaller.  How difficult it is for an aspie who is successful to give the world facts and hope to other aspies when such hooliganism perpetuates itself as aspieness.

I will keep dropping info when I deem necessary... for those who seriously want answers and for those who really have asperger's or have children with aspergers and do not want to end up as the 98% who cannot get jobs or function in society...

Best of luck to everyone... Email me anytime.. I will pop in from time to time ...WHEN I have time... Cheers Smile

quickduck Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

I get the feeling some people are on this board all the time because they are not in therapy and/or they on are the societies payroll and not working.��

I am against Public welfare and it would behoove an aspie and society to get $$ for Behavioral therapy and not sitting on the internet all day.��

Its more than a little presumptuous to assume that people on this board require therapy or else they should be in employment. Many people don�t work for medical reasons, others may be retired or be too young to work. A single parent bringing up a child is at least as valuable as someone in paid employment. Some people here may be in receipt of welfare--but that doesn�t mean they�re worth any less than someone who�s working.

Yetti Wrote:

Attacking people in discussions will not serve to help an aspie learn need skills to work with others in a social group.

On the contrary--attacking someone who belittles others and behaves in a high-handedly manner toward those who don�t agree with her world view--helps an aspie develop very good social skills and brings an understand of the dynamics of conflict.��

Yetti Wrote:

To many are not even diagnosed here, meaning they probably have other disorders which are not being addressed.

Just because someone isn�t officially diagnosed doesn�t mean �they probably have other disorders�. Nor does it mean they�re not an aspie. It just means they don�t have an official diagnosis--that�s all.

Yetti Wrote:

The issues discussed here can be found in more controlled places. .esp if there are people on the board using controlled substances illegally and venting on the internet.

Where did that come from? Are we all drug users now?

This is true... for those who exploit it ..it takes away from those who really need it.. the answer is not to beat to death those who work to make the $$ necessary but make it efficient to help the truly needed.. A stay at home mother is not needed.. she can work... many can work but rather take min. wage than improve their lives... some are not even diagnosed on this board.. just hanger oners looking for a place to hang around and whine.

We need to be very careful.. because anyone can claim to be anything just to get welfare and use it for their alcohol or drug needs....

Best thing to do... is work on improving your skills for the real world as an aspie and get a career that works...

there is so much more today than in the 1950s when I was a child... It is one thing to help others its another to keep people from improving their lives who really need it...

quickduck Wrote:

hrick Wrote:

I worked for a number of years in the area of social services and to be frank what I found was a mix. Some families receiving welfare were more than deserving, the victims of unfortunate circumstances or just trying to survive on what was simply a poor wage and limited earned income.��Others, most especially those who were third and fourth generation welfare, had all but made a science of using and beating the system, even going so far as to calculate when they needed to become reimpregranted so as not to be dropped from the system.��

Fair point...its not black and white issue. Some people do exploit the system--others are derserving of help.

Perhaps we can start with getting rid of teachers unions which only perpetuate incompetant teachers in the system.... It seems someone is screeming judge not , yet if a Republican child was in his class he would perhaps harrass him and hide under the Union Label.... That is major judging and with a child who has little avenues of protection...

Max the Bear Wrote:

hrick Wrote:

I worked for a number of years in the area of social services and ...

...and your job was to judge the people you were there to help?

It's always interesting to me that out of the trillions of abused dollars the government wastes on corporate hand-outs and illegal wars, there's a certain kind of moral vigilante who is most concerned that some poor person is going to sneak an extra cookie out of the jar.

Republican Values at their finest.

No diagnosis mean a great deal...If one does not take the time to get professional assist and help and just declares themselves with self diagnosis... Then very little will be accomplished... Like one who is on this board and claims to have aspergers and yet did not know what an Aspie meltdown was or felt like.... When I heard of an aspie meltdown , even before diagnosis.. I knew exactly what it was.. I had them... I think we have a lot of people with other disorders who are just using this board for filling in boredom when they are not seeking professional help.. even in the USA we have state psychiatrists who can offer help. I don't see any here who are not diagnosed even taking free medical help.

quickduck Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

I get the feeling some people are on this board all the time because they are not in therapy and/or they on are the societies payroll and not working.��

I am against Public welfare and it would behoove an aspie and society to get $$ for Behavioral therapy and not sitting on the internet all day.��

Its more than a little presumptuous to assume that people on this board require therapy or else they should be in employment. Many people don�t work for medical reasons, others may be retired or be too young to work. A single parent bringing up a child is at least as valuable as someone in paid employment. Some people here may be in receipt of welfare--but that doesn�t mean they�re worth any less than someone who�s working.

Yetti Wrote:

Attacking people in discussions will not serve to help an aspie learn need skills to work with others in a social group.

On the contrary--attacking someone who belittles others and behaves in a high-handedly manner toward those who don�t agree with her world view--helps an aspie develop very good social skills and brings an understand of the dynamics of conflict.��

Yetti Wrote:

To many are not even diagnosed here, meaning they probably have other disorders which are not being addressed.

Just because someone isn�t officially diagnosed doesn�t mean �they probably have other disorders�. Nor does it mean they�re not an aspie. It just means they don�t have an official diagnosis--that�s all.

Yetti Wrote:

The issues discussed here can be found in more controlled places. .esp if there are people on the board using controlled substances illegally and venting on the internet.

Where did that come from? Are we all drug users now?

Ian Wrote:

I get the feeling some people are on this board all the time because they are not in therapy and/or they on are the societies payroll and not working.�� I do feel one can create their own internet jobs or search for work where they are not with the public is they are acting like this...

Don't make me stamp on your face.

I did college and for what? unemployment.

As I told my student a degree offers education and open doors... The question is.. can you GET a job?  do you have what it takes to get one.. Degrees cannot guarantee ability to work..  If one is unemployed, and they feel they have mental challenges.. why aren't they at the state psychiatrists office.. and doing what needs to be done to work in this world.

As an aspie it was never easy for me... 3 major meltdowns in my life.. and many aspie rages  locked myself in the privacy of my own bathroom so as not to bother others.   To teach myself control thinking it was learned behavior... when in reality it was my wiring...

I did not have these where they affected my work... where I received more training and promotions.  The pain was horrific and I was alone... My husband hated to see me suffer like this...

With my new knowledge I know to keep myself stress free and to not react with knee jerk reactions as much as possible to others differenceof opinion, rants, and personal attacks... Knowledge is power and if someone really wants to learn how to make their life better they would seek all the help and information they could find.

It boils down to whether you really want to improve or not... Overcoming ones insecurities makes one a strong person...exponentially over time..

Not so Tigger... they did not know what aspergers really was only 6 yrs after Dr Asperger made the observations.... they did not give us such tests.... But I can see some are fearful they are being uncovered as to their intentions on this board and it shows with the presonal attacks.

I was officially diagnosed as I have stated before at 56 .. this year... Before that I had no clue about what aspergers was...but I was an aspie.. I did not come to these boards until I was officially diagnosed.. I did not hang around here for so long of a period of time I see others here who are not diagnosed and many who just bully others.... This board is an open board and anyone can join and pretend...

Bullies will search out aspies and use the boards for their bullying grounds with their mental illnesses for violent and agresssion...

until you are diagnosed... you are not officially recognized.. because any one can make a claim on the internet.. even an official diagnosis...

We already caught one who did not even know what an aspie meltdown was and has been here a long time... I had meltdowns before I was diagnoses and as soon as the term was told to me I knew exactly what they were...

Do be cautious about on line predators who claim to have aspergers.... its not hard to weed them out... and they then become violent attacking and bullying to hide the fact their true nature is being perceived... This is common sense and all over the internet with warnings...

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Interesting. I wonder - at what age did Yetti receive an official diagnosis?

Before that, she obviously wasn't Aspie?

Rubbish. We are born Aspie.

Most of us are younger than her. Young enough = diagnosed. Other than that, it costs a lot to have a psychiatrist tell an adult what s/he already knows.

From another aspie support group... I dont' have official sites on that.. I surely HOPE to God its more than 2%... That scares the peegeebeees out of me .. thinking I have a disorder that so many are unable to cope in life... If you have a site on those figures I would appreciate it... other than that.. it was given to me by an aspie specialist at a support group...

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Sorry for the double post;

BUT - a lot more than 2% of us are employed. Where on earth are these figures coming from?

NO ROFL.... I was diagnosed at 56 as I have always stated.. I had aspergers all my life.. Some of you are so young you do not realize there was no testing in the past in those days.. it was sink or swim.... that is why you are not finding so many older aspies till a few of us are diagnosed late in our years.... We learned to survive with our aspergers...

I was always an aspie... but you are not away not that long ago... very little was known much less done... the only thing they tested for in th eold days were our eyes and gave us polio, small pox shots and tb tests... nothing else.

Aspergers had to swim or sink on our own accord and our families.. Those of us lucky enough to have good home life were able to manage well... even with tremendous success... Bill Gates parents are very well educated and very close to their son and worked with him... Not all aspies had parents like we did...

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Not so Tigger... they did not know what aspergers really was only 6 yrs after Dr Asperger made the observations.... they did not give us such tests....��But I can see some are fearful they are being uncovered as to their intentions on this board and it shows with the presonal attacks.

I was officially diagnosed as I have stated before at 56 .. this year... Before that I had no clue about what aspergers was...but I was an aspie.. I did not come to these boards until I was officially diagnosed.. I did not hang around here for so long of a period of time I see others here who are not diagnosed and many who just bully others.... This board is an open board and anyone can join and pretend...

until you are diagnosed... you are not officially recognized.. because any one can make a claim on the internet.. even an official diagnosis...

So, you admit that, to us, it might seem that you are lying about your diagnosis?

I have 3 phd psychologists and one psychiatrist all who have diagnosed me this year... I have had aspergers all my life..

If you need one of those on line scores LOL.. I scored 188 out of 200.

My doctors who are at the top of their profession and specialists in teh area are far more credible than the on line tests.

Either way I am about as hard core aspie as you can find.

Yetti Wrote:

NO ROFL.... I was diagnosed at 56 as I have always stated.. I had aspergers all my life.. Some of you are so young you do not realize there was no testing in the past in those days.. it was sink or swim.... that is why you are not finding so many older aspies till a few of us are diagnosed late in our years.... We learned to survive with our aspergers...

I was always an aspie... but you are not away not that long ago... very little was known much less done... the only thing they tested for in th eold days were our eyes and gave us polio, small pox��shots and tb tests... nothing else.

Aspergers had to swim or sink on our own accord and our families.. Those of us lucky enough to have good home life were able to manage well... even with tremendous success... Bill Gates parents are very well educated and very close to their son and worked with him... Not all aspies had parents like we did...

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Not so Tigger... they did not know what aspergers really was only 6 yrs after Dr Asperger made the observations.... they did not give us such tests....��But I can see some are fearful they are being uncovered as to their intentions on this board and it shows with the presonal attacks.

I was officially diagnosed as I have stated before at 56 .. this year... Before that I had no clue about what aspergers was...but I was an aspie.. I did not come to these boards until I was officially diagnosed.. I did not hang around here for so long of a period of time I see others here who are not diagnosed and many who just bully others.... This board is an open board and anyone can join and pretend...

until you are diagnosed... you are not officially recognized.. because any one can make a claim on the internet.. even an official diagnosis...

So, you admit that, to us, it might seem that you are lying about your diagnosis?

Bout time you got a diagnosis.. from a psychiatrist or specialty psychologist in Aspergers.. My best friend who I am almost sure is an aspie will not do so.... I am working on it with her... it is very painful for her.. she was bullied all her life and could not handle socialization very well at all... She took is 56 just 2 days older than me.. we will be travelling together on some interesting journeys that my husband does not want to take.... she is recently divorced after 34 yrs... she thought all men were the same... did not know they had different personalities LOL And she is a scientist!

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Actually, I'm a 49 year-old grandmother.

I have a long family history of Asperger's without formal diagnosis.

Grandad died twenty years before DSMIV.