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I can not comment on the chelation thing - I'd never even heard the term until I joined AFF.

However, I can comment on the cardiovascular disease. Despite my age I have next to no CVD, which is more commonly known as 'furring of the arteries' or 'arteriosclerosis'. However I have a rare problem called Prinzmetal's Angina which means my arteries randomly go into spasms and cut off the blood supply to my heart. It is treated by calcium channel blockers and nitrates to relax the blood vessels. I think that if there were another treatment that worked I would have heard of it. I correspond with other sufferers world-wide and the treatment I've been getting seems to be the standard.
This seems to be a fairly comprehensive history of chelation therapy:-

http://www.relfe.com/IDetoxamin/history_...erapy.html

google search
hope these help in your quest. Smile

erkolos Wrote:

woman from mars Wrote:
This seems to be a fairly comprehensive history of chelation therapy:-

http://www.relfe.com/IDetoxamin/history_...erapy.html

At least it told a story of how it was invented in Germany and patented in the US during the Second World War.

Is it just me or does the page claim that it treats cardiovascular disease?

... never liked mayonnaise.

I speed read as I was searching & chose the one mentioning it's invention deliberately, as of them all it seemed more accurate.

During my search which also used  other Google pages, I found that it has commonly been used  (effectiveness queried ) for cardiovascular problems.

Thanks very much  Erkolos for that extremely useful article.

erkolos Wrote:
http://www.labbio.net/pages/index_vh_eng.htm

Laboratoire Philippe Auguste

I wonder if this is the french lab tests for heavy-metals are taken to. I found the lab mentioned in this article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez...s=17885929

... which was in the references in this:

http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/pdfs/au...gazine.pdf

... thing about the mercury theory.

...

We now have a direct link between a lab that seem to suggest that chelation is an effective treatment of cardiovascualar disease and the research around the mercury theory, but I'm not sure if this is one of the main places where the usual heavy metal tests are taken to.

Is there a slight possibility that many of the results of heavy-metal testings are false? And that it would be usefull with a second opinion from an unrelated heavy-metal test for any parent considering chelation?

There is always a possibility that any tests are false / mistaken. If I were to want chelation, I would thoroughly research it first.....but that is how I approach things.
These parents, for whatever reason are desperate & desperate people are gullible.

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Is it true that many autistic people can't excrete heavy metals? Just that bit about the mercury theory seem to be falsifyable. So shouldn't a separate study be able to determinate whether or not this is true? I guess it might already have been proven true or false by seperate studies but I haven't heard of it yet.

unfortunately, I was unable to read the 'heavy metal part due to a large advert which I couldn't remove.
In my opinion, if therer are to be studies, they should be repeated many times by different organisations.

I would really be interested in having my brain neuroimaged & told the results.

My only concern about proving once and for all that chelation doesn't work, is that those people might put their efforts towards a real "cure" (i.e. pre-natal testing), or towards more dangerous pseudo-cures (aversive ABA, exorcism, etc).

I think there's enough evidence against chelation out there, so it's only the real nutters still doing it.

erkolos Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:
I think there's enough evidence against chelation out there, so it's only the real nutters still doing it.

0.o

But they are so many and convincing!

Really, alot of parents are still doing it because they hear of all the good results from others who have done it. It is difficult to determine exactly why those few parents who claim they see improvements in behavior after chelation say these things. Some say placebo effect, some say that the children improve in behavior like any other autistic child that age and others say that there actually are some very few who genuinily do benefit from chelation because of heavy metal poisoning.


True enough.

Basically, they've taken mercury out of vaccines now, so in a couple of years when the numbers have dropped, the theory will be disproved once and for all. In the meantime, at least they're not donating to a genetic cure that could wipe us all out...

I can see that it does paint a negative picture of what autism is, though... Ah, dilemma.

erkolos Wrote:
Well, the mercury theory adjust itself to new acknowledged facts.

First it was: It isn't genes that cause autism, it's mercury from vaccines

After it was accepted that it was generally genetic:

Autism is caused when the kids are genetically exposable to heavy metal poisoning from vaccines.

Now that it is accepted that vaccines doesn't cause autism as Denmark, Canada and Japan did not get any lower diagnosis rate after all thimerosal was removed from their vaccines in 1990-1992 it is:

They are exposed by mercury from everywhere, not just in vaccines.


Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many people have had their fillings from teeth removed?  unfortunately many young children in the UK do have them.
I know that doing this actually increases the amount of mercury ingested, but a lot don't.

About the teeth. I broke a filling a year or so ago and got so sick. My hip-joints hurt like hell. At the same time I read about a soccer player who had been having joint-aches, supposedly caused by lead or some other heavy metal, so I asked my dentist about it, hoping for a straight answer (I've been a scrap metal collector for years and have learned a lot about how metal degrade, so I thought that some kind of residue of the fillings had travelled down through my body) but she said "No Way!" and "Not Possible!" and so on. She might have been scared of me making some demand for free repair of the filling; which wasn't even in my mind at the time. That was a disappointment. I only asked for an educated opinion.

The chelation trend might be a way to find the cause outside of themselves instead of inside themselves.

erkolos Wrote:
... I've actually used about an hour translating it into norwegian by the way.


Excellent & well done for showing us this. ( also for your comments on the discussion group ). *claps *SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

It might interest more people if you copy & paste the story. I would have done it, but this is your finding.Shy

I think that -

http://www.autism-watch.org/about/bio2.shtml

- is a very enlightening website!
Unbelievable Neo - and that guy is a doctor.

Lucie1 Wrote:
Unbelievable Neo - and that guy is a doctor.


I know, I could not beleive what I was reading! Rolleyes

Ten brownie points to erkolos for finding it.

Neo Wrote:

Lucie1 Wrote:
Unbelievable Neo - and that guy is a doctor.


I know, I could not beleive what I was reading! Rolleyes

Ten brownie points to erkolos for finding it.

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