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SoulSick Wrote:
Could you explain your moral philosophy?  

I try to 'do as I would be done by' & try to help where ever I see that there is a need.
Always admit when I am in the wrong & say I'm sorry.

SoulSick Wrote:
a) What do you find morally offensive?

Any wickedness, evil, deliberate badness,cruelty & lies.

SoulSick Wrote:
b) What agitates you about other people in general?

Other people telling what to do, as opposed to making a suggestion.
People not believing me when I tell the truth.
People thinking that I am snobbish, because, I cannot go to their party or other function.
The rampant bullying in society in general.

Ian Wrote:
Nowt wrong with a bit of snobbish, hun..bit of posh totty ;p

Ian

Now now ( finger wag Big GrinBig GrinBig GrinBig GrinBig GrinBig GrinBig GrinBig GrinBig Grin)

GuessWho Wrote:
His point is that many Americans (honest Christians) live as piously as the Muslims did back in the days of Mohammed.

He also had something to say about "bikini Christians" who seem to worship the naked skin as eagerly as they worship Christ, calling the women essentially naked.

After reading the bikini article, I thought, "America can do better than this.  We have to."  Although the bikini-clad American women were removed ("by request" of other Muslims), they did show three modestly clad Muslim teenagers and one young girl.  I must say I felt a sense of reverence for how attractive a woman respectfully dressed can be.

Could you please explain what you are saying here?

woman from mars Wrote:
[quote=GuessWho]
His point is that many Americans (honest Christians) live as piously as the Muslims did back in the days of Mohammed.


I didn't need links, I asked nicely what you meant.
Are you saying that ALL modern day Muslims aren't pious, because this statement reads to me that Muslims were only pious in the days of Mohammet?


GuessWho Wrote:
He also had something to say about "bikini Christians" who seem to worship the naked skin as eagerly as they worship Christ, calling the women essentially naked.

After reading the bikini article, I thought, "America can do better than this.  We have to."  Although the bikini-clad American women were removed ("by request" of other Muslims), they did show three modestly clad Muslim teenagers and one young girl.  I must say I felt a sense of reverence for how attractive a woman respectfully dressed can be.


I don't understand what relevance bikinis have to religion or anything else for that matter, how people dress is a matter of personal choice.

IF you are advocating that women should wear more clothes, shouldn't the same standards apply to men?

woman from mars Wrote:

woman from mars Wrote:
[quote=GuessWho]
His point is that many Americans (honest Christians) live as piously as the Muslims did back in the days of Mohammed.


I didn't need links, I asked nicely what you meant.
Are you saying that ALL modern day Muslims aren't pious, because this statement reads to me that Muslims were only pious in the days of Mohammet?


GuessWho Wrote:
He also had something to say about "bikini Christians" who seem to worship the naked skin as eagerly as they worship Christ, calling the women essentially naked.

After reading the bikini article, I thought, "America can do better than this.  We have to."  Although the bikini-clad American women were removed ("by request" of other Muslims), they did show three modestly clad Muslim teenagers and one young girl.  I must say I felt a sense of reverence for how attractive a woman respectfully dressed can be.


I don't understand what relevance bikinis have to religion or anything else for that matter, how people dress is a matter of personal choice.

IF you are advocating that women should wear more clothes, shouldn't the same standards apply to men?


GuessWho Wrote:
The author is saying that many Muslims (especially the wealthy) in places like Saudi Arabia have forgotten what is more important than money.

You have quoted from the author & added your own comments which is fine, but I don't want to know about the author .
Again, I am asking nicely what you meant? I am trying to understand what you are saying.
Or are you not going to answer?

GuessWho Wrote:
The bikini Christianity thing was written by one Abdullah Smith.  The other one, 9/11 is the Biggest Lie in History, has no author name.  I wonder why.


You yourself made comments about the book as well as quoting from the same.

GuessWho Wrote:
I thought, "America can do better than this.  We have to."  Although the bikini-clad American women were removed ("by request" of other Muslims), they did show three modestly clad Muslim teenagers and one young girl.  I must say I felt a sense of reverence for how attractive a woman respectfully dressed can be.

I must assume that you are not going to answer.

tenaciouscj Wrote:
GuessWho, I detect hateful thoughts in the way you write about this Ghanaian student. Since the state helped you on your way with your education, why can't you show a little generosity of spirit and help this young man without continually whinging?

You're on a good wicket financially so you can afford to be kind to him. The way you speak of this man suggests that you are a modern day pharisee and do you really want to be thought of as one?

Then again, it's often the poorest people who are most willing to share what they have with others.


I have, actually.  A couple of hundred USD over two years.

I just think sometimes several people should work together to help one foreign student.

And I have advised him not to trust in me personally, and that Americans do not like being solicited for money at every face to face meeting.  And that going to the Chinese buffet with your last $5 is a really really bad idea.

If I was in Sydney, and someone said don't touch the funnel web spider, I'd listen.

If I was in the Amazon rain forest and someone said don't touch the poison tree frog, I'd listen.

I don't think he's listening when I tell him what not to do in the tough environment of the American economy.  I've lived in it all my life, and my mom, like many mothers human and higher animal (cat, dog) teach their young to survive in that environment, for example, stressing delayed gratification, saving, and not pay off a credit card balance in full only as a last resort, like maybe once or twice in a lifetime.

His last five dollars, CJ.
After he told me he had enough money to eat out, he is hoping I'd buy his meal anyway.
I hate surprises, especially face to face appeals for help.  They are the hardest to turn down, refusing to leave my car until given money is even harder.

That is why I have forced myself to postpone recreation on his behalf indefinitely.  I don't suppose he has many friends and I don't suppose they like that kind of friendship either.  I don't mind boosting his spirits with a movie and pizza now and again, it's one brother to another.  

But when he starts introducing his pantry situation and his need to commute to U.MD (why is he commuting from Seat Pleasant 8 or 9 miles to UMD on the subway anyway, when he might live closer to campus, that's a no brainer, I did that in college and grad school, didn't have a car, and even when I was forced to get a flat after graduation I lived close enough to walk (9 blocks).  

My mom once said, "Give [people in far away countries] a radio and immediately they ask for batteries."

I encouraged him to get low-cost canned chicken or fish, a lot of rice, and some megavitamins (and have bought him the same).  If he has to rely on rice for the majority of his calories at least his teeth won't fall out from vitamin C deficiency, scurvy).  I gave him enough vitamins to keep scurvy away till next March or April.

Even I have limits.
I know it is getting very tough on non-citizens in America, not only the student visa holders.


The financial aid section of the Shepherd College course catalog, 1987-1989, under international students

Since no financial assistance is available to international students at Shepherd College, students are encouraged to make the necessary arrangements in their home country. (almost a quote)

Which means the parents must be rich to begin with, I knew a couple foreign students at Shepherd.  One is the brother of my faculty advisor from Gambia.  A guy in student government from Spain.

Right now the cultural climate in America is hostile to non-citizens who need assistance.
1.  states moving to make only citizens eligible for social welfare programs, resulting rise in permanent residents seeking citizenship
2.  Washington DC, present day, heavy resentment against Hispanic immigrants on the grounds that a significant proportion are undocumented (unauthorized).  Efforts to shut down a day laborer center (where day laborers and private citizens needing home fix its and landscaping meet) in Herndon, it was closed down.  Fairfax county (south of Alexandria where I live and Arlington County where I work) and Prince William County (south and west of Fairfax) voting to consider building a 1000 bed facility for undocumented people caught by police to await deportation (Arlington county is paradoxically more inclined to favor immigrants)
3.  That border fence many want to build along significant portions of the U.S./Mexico border
4.  Many immigrants often go cash-only to fly below the credit card/ATM/checking/debit payment system (doing so would require disclosing a Social Security or equivalent nine digit number).  Robbers have figured this out and often target them.  Born citizens often take the "who cares?" attitude to being on "radar" (like having a transponder in the computer-controlled economic system), though we keep a token amount of money in wallets in case we are robbed (maybe they won't kill us if they get enough for a few combo meals at McDonalds, also, throw wallet and run other way)
5.  Concerns over should illegal immigrants should have driver's licenses (many would rather avoid having a large number of drivers who have no license or insurance, Virginia actually lets drivers skip insurance for $500, duh) and have nothing to lose by running from the scene of an accident)
6.  Some provisions of laws that haven't been adopted would make it a crime to give even food or water to illegals (aiding and abetting, harboring), that is way too far, you should have the right to feed anyone (and not have to ask whether they are legal or not)
7.  I think this is in part because certain 9/11 terrorists got driver's licenses in Virginia.  My brother had to renew a driver's license and they asked him for a birth certificate, which he had to order.  The national government wants to require the states to have uniform standards for driver's licenses (machine readable, preventing duplicate licenses in several states), the REAL ID act, proposed effective in 2009.

GuessWho Wrote:
Good point.  I don't know why I would leave the United States, even though I think we have a poor concept of civilization compared to our peers in the democratic industrialized world.

The example given by  tenaciouscj was hypothetic

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America's fascination with sending elderly parents somewhere where busy yuppies don't have to look at them.....  Mom only spent six weeks in a facility, Dad died at home.

Assumptions again...it is not right to assume that because someone needs a care home, that their relatives don't care.

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What would my mom have done?  I think my problem is that I think he thinks he is entitled to certain support.  He was no child of my mother, no kin of mine.  It is a miracle I did help him (Jesus miracle), because usually I think we should care for international people over there not over here.  Education is not even mentioned on Jesus' list of "I was such and such and you did such and such for me".  It is food, medical attention, social inclusion, but not an American college education for every promising young person outside the United States.

That is not a Christian attitude, I am a token Christian, but I help where I see a need & I believe that Jesus did the same.

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I am thinking immediate family, you are thinking world family, which is probably closer to Christianity.

Better.

If you don't understand what is said to you,  why not ask for  a better explanation.

It would be better not to keep bringing your parents into the discussion.
GuessWho ..please read & assimilate the following..... properly & in depth before making another post upon this thread..

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Matthew 6:28 >>
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"And why worry about clothes? Notice how the flowers grow in the field. They never work or spin yarn for clothes.

King James Bible
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:


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<< Matthew 6 >>
New American Standard Bible ©
Giving to the Poor and Prayer

1 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.
2 “So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 “But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
5 “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 “But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. 8 “So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9 “Pray, then, in this way:  ‘Our Father who is in heaven,  Hallowed be Your name.
10 ‘Your kingdom come.  Your will be done,  On earth as it is in heaven.
11 ‘Give us this day our daily bread.
12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 ‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]
14 “For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 “But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

Fasting; The True Treasure; Wealth (Mammon)

16 “Whenever you fast, do not put on a gloomy face as the hypocrites do, for they neglect their appearance so that they will be noticed by men when they are fasting. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 17 “But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face 18 so that your fasting will not be noticed by men, but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 “But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 “The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23 “But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
The Cure for Anxiety

25 “For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 “Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 “And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 “And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 “But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 “Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 “For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 “But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34 “So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

GuessWho Wrote:
I don't see an awful lot of Europeans asking for help to go to college, CJ.  Most of them have better governments than ours, those that pay for college, at least if they have the grades and scores.

You don't live in Europe, I do. Our students do need to take out student loans in order to pay for further education.

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I don't care if Gideon was Swiss, it doesn't mean education is a necessity of life.

give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day-teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a life time
This is called education ergo education is a necessity of life.

[quote]My parents did not die to expect their sons to close to subsidize the college education of strangers.

Family-on-family aid is different than Christian aid, CJ.

When I had cancer in early 1997 and was severely underemployed.....

My mother continued to feed and house me indefinitely, knowing I could not afford my own living unless I was employed at a Master's or at least a Bachelor's level.  Continued, free use of automobile, and subsidized my job search costs.

Later that year I was sharing the rent with Mom when we moved out of the countryside into a city apartment

No, Mom did not touch my medical expenses.  I simply paid the portion not forgiven as long as necessary, and necessary was almost September 1999.

Covenant Baptist Church sent a bag of groceries.

Maybe we are supposed to treat other people like they are literally our family.  That would require, however, an amount of giving ten or a hundred times what Christians are used to.  Sure enough, I seldom hear of entire West Virginia churches trying to raise money for a kid's medical expenses.

A very Christian attitude indeed .Rolleyes

OXFAM USA famers bill
I suggest that you read & digest this.

IF GuessWho would read this, (  I will post it again ) it explains about poverty in America & various reasons & attitudes for this.
It also explains in very good terminology what different wage scales In the USA would equate to a poor person in a third world country.
I would cut & paste it...but for some reason the software here thinks it is 'Illegal 'so I am unable to.

OXFAM FARM BILL AMERICA HUNGER

PLEASE READ THIS & make some relevant answers or I will just consider that you only wish to pick out parts of The Bible that suit you & not waste my time any further.
I try to behave towards others, in the way that I would like them to behave towards me.

It is not important that mostly they don't...that is their problem.

I like to have a clear conscience.
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