It would be foolish to have a hatred for neurotypical people; what would that help anyone accomplish? They do make up the majority of the human population, and just because we have some difficulties in their society doesn't mean people with AS should try and make the world unbearable for them to live in for our benefit alone. The point of this site is to advocate acceptance, because unfortunately, many people do not see autism spectrum conditions as something acceptable.
Do you wish for people on the spectrum to coexist peacefully with NT's or do you have an dislike/hatred for NT's? This is for our rights, so they would recognize us truthfully.
I don't understand the question. What does hatred for other people have to do with "our" rights?
I would like to coexist, but NTs need to realise that they need to make an effort too. Often, in therapy and social skills groups etc, the emphasis is placed on aspies learning NT social skills and conventions - where as there should also be emphasis on NTs learning about aspies and our ways of communicating.
Currently things are too one-sided.
I think NTs should me made to do as much learning as aspies - and then we can coexist as we will understand each other better and also one particular group is less likely to think they are 'right' and everyone else is 'wrong'.
I want people to open their eyes and see the possibility of that people who are currently recieving labels with the word "syndrome" at the end of the tail can be very successfull if given the right opportunities.
Yes Please let us co exist happily, but it should a two way process.
Hate is bad & achieves little that is beneficial to anyone.
Peaceful coexistence and emphasis on civil rights. There is no second class legal status to those of us who work normally and all, but we do feel a sense of second class social status, most significantly with respect to love matters.
The huge majority of NT's want to do the right thing vis a vis Autism, but they have no idea what 'the right thing" is.
They believe in "The Cure" because that's what they've always heard and that's what the see on Oprah. The Cure fits the existing model in their heads that Differences = Deficits and that we, as good people, must "fix" what's "broken."
The only way for this to change is through education, PR and re-framing what Autism means and who Autistics are.
On the other hand, individual bitterness and anger in regards to the way you've been treated is entirely understandable and valid. Resentment toward the systemic advantage given to NT's is valid.
But to just go around hating everybody who is NT just adds to your own misery.
Don't misunderstand me, I can hate an individual if they have been very bad/ evil to me or mine (not often my list is about 4 people ), but I can't understand hating a group of people....unless that group is bad / evil to others' .
but I can't understand hating a group of people....unless that group is bad / evil to others' .
I agree when we're talking about a genetically defined group or a group defined by immutable (innate, unchangeable) characteristics (race, gender, neurostatus, sexual orientation, national origin...)
But if someone chooses to identify with a group based on the group's values, beliefs or practices, then I may respond to them on the basis of those values.
In short, if someone is Indian, it makes no sense to hate him for being Indian. But if someone chooses to join the KKK, I will treat them like a Klansman.
The problem with that reasoning, the Christians I mean, along with the wheat that is attracted to the mysterious power of the Holy Spirit to make people do wonderous things like (below), there is chaff (or sand or glass) that is there to
hate people.
Some things I have seen that amazed me
1. How did Renee survive an accident (get thrown out of a locked car
on fire)?
2. Professor's wife, too many spiritual healings to list
3. How does female high school student survive massive overdose of lithium carbonate to become a Christian, a missionary on campus, a social worker after graduation, and generally non-offensive (though was very eager to share religion in ways that confused me about her intentions back then)
4. All those dudes who get off drugs?
5. Why couldn't I find peace before I became a Christian even though I really badly wanted to find peace Rachael Meads' way (a neo Buddhist humanist)
I am well aware of your grounds for contention with the Christian message. It seems like God is too hard on decent people, really. But still, all the wonders and miracles we don't understand, it is like the aliens or Atlantis or other things that amaze us, might be out there, and things science has yet to explain (and science can never explain religion because God is invisible)
I agree when we're talking about a genetically defined group or a group defined by immutable (innate, unchangeable) characteristics (race, gender, neurostatus, sexual orientation, national origin...)
But if someone chooses to identify with a group based on the group's values, beliefs or practices, then I may respond to them on the basis of those values.
In short, if someone is Indian, it makes no sense to hate him for being Indian. But if someone chooses to join the KKK, I will treat them like a Klansman.
Christian, yes, but I can still think for myself, and it is a not a crime to think for myself, or to respect good people doing exactly what I hope to do one day, just a little differently. The genders involved seem really minor to me, actually, in my personal opinion, the commitment matters more, and I respect commitment.
GuessWho, please don't turn this into another sermon. The thread is not about your Christian experiences. If you read "KKK" and see "Christian" that's your problem -- and a very revealing one.
but I can't understand hating a group of people....unless that group is bad / evil to others' .
I agree when we're talking about a genetically defined group or a group defined by immutable (innate, unchangeable) characteristics (race, gender, neurostatus, sexual orientation, national origin...)
But if someone chooses to identify with a group based on the group's values, beliefs or practices, then I may respond to them on the basis of those values.
In short, if someone is Indian, it makes no sense to hate him for being Indian. But if someone chooses to join the KKK, I will treat them like a Klansman.
"unless that group is bad / evil to others' "....that's what I meant, just said badly.
Please don't address your allies, or future allies, with the name of a hate organization. Even if America and Britain did look askance at Stalin during WW2. The fact that I do respect monogamy whether gay or straight is of no threat to you. Please don't consider us seekers of the nature of God as any threat either.
I did not plagarize this off a bumper sticker. Human rights is a world war, join the Allies. But it should be a bumper sticker.
Please don't address your allies, or future allies, with the name of a hate organization. Even if America and Britain did look askance at Stalin during WW2. The fact that I do respect monogamy whether gay or straight is of no threat to you. Please don't consider us seekers of the nature of God as any threat either.
Okay, whatever. This is like dumping a paper shredder and just reading whatever comes out.
About the topic-
I can't see how to really 'hate' a group based on innate characteristics. I can see being cautious around that group because of bad experiences with individuals. More failure can really get a person down sometimes.
I do dislike dealing with the 'salesman' type of person who thinks everybody loves small talk and can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to spend all his/her time talking. From what I've seen, some of these people used to be introverts, so they do see it as a choice. I don't think this type of person always comes from the group of NTs, so it really isn't NT hate. It is more dislike of the particular characteristics; specific characteristics that make it impossible for me to get to know the person behind them (said individuals being obsessed with small talk and never saying anything pointful).
I am for banishing ignorance, above all.
I don't see how religion is relevant here. Erkolos's statement seems very true to what I have observed.
You may call me "the aspie Malcolm X."
I'd rather not. Malcolm X was an NT and would find your position asinine.
We are about beating ignorance. And because of that, we are not in line for having ignorant views against NT's as a whole. I see some aspies on the internet as stupid for expecting respect, when they can't give an ounce of respect to any NT. Image how bad our movement may become if we started acting like how I described some stupid aspies. I don't think our Neurodiversity movement would get much further than we are now. In fact, our movement might start sinking down from the retaliation from the NT's.