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clock Sep 13, 2007 2:50 pm US/Mountain
ADHD Mistakenly Applied To Gifted Kids

(KUTV) Is your child labeled a troublemaker at school? Have they been diagnosed with ADHD? In our Parent 2 Parent report, why some of these labels are mistakenly applied to gifted children.

Nadia Webb is a neuron-psychologist who has just co-authored a book- Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults. Webb says labels like ADHD, Bipolar Disorder, depression and Asperger's Syndrome are often mistakenly applied to gifted kids.

“With gifted kids, because they're children, they're often under challenged. They find ways to entertain themselves and it's not always constructive,” said Webb.

They can often be disruptive in classrooms and perform in ways parents and teachers may not expect.

“I think we tend to think of gifted kids as the ones who get straight A's and that's actually not true. They tend to fly under the radar,” said Webb.

Signs may include:
A vivid imagination/
Excellent reading and verbal skills
Intense curiosity
Questions authority
Unfocused behavior

“They can look ADHD because they can have 9 projects, 8 of them unfinished so they look scattered because they’re just broadly curious,” said Webb.

That can be a challenge for parents and teachers. Webb says their issues are just as unique as kids who have learning disabilities. She says parents and educators must find a way to correctly identify them and meet their needs.
“It's easier to give them an interesting assignment, instead of spending time watching them be off task, having them disrupt the classroom, having them pick the laminate off the top of the desk,” said Webb.

Webb says about 25-percent of gifted children eventually drop out of school because they're misdiagnosed and under challenged and says the key is for parents to work closely with teachers to help these kids meet their potential.

Wm Wrote:

erkolos Wrote:
So...

Can't people on the spectrum be gifted?


Hello,

Precisely what I was thinking…

Just curious, may you post the link to this article?

Thanks for posting the story here
Will


Here you are:- Smile
http://kutv.com/seenon/local_story_256165142.html

It was kind of you to give the link,WfM Smile
I forgot, I usually put both.Rolleyes
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SO funny... I come here often... Today, I was reading the endless statistical and descrptive breakdown of the aspie quiz corellation stuff and I realized that I am a non-aspie gifted type.  I have almost all the indicators of aspie talent as put forth in the section that describes the more descriptive characteristics with none of the distractibility and hyprefocus stuff.  here were some glaring spots that didn't fit, but it made me retake the quiz... same score.. Aspie 22 of 200.  very nt indeed, but I went to the giftedness website that appears on the aspie site and I am described by EACh of them except, again, the singularity of focus. And I do finish stuff.   I wonder if there is a tribe out there for people like me???  I had a thread before where I asked about this, I think it was High IQ nts... the minority?  I always felt like I was trying to fit into an Aspie world.  I just didn't have the word for it.  Anyone know anyone like me????  


woman from mars Wrote:

Quote:
clock Sep 13, 2007 2:50 pm US/Mountain
ADHD Mistakenly Applied To Gifted Kids

(KUTV) Is your child labeled a troublemaker at school? Have they been diagnosed with ADHD? In our Parent 2 Parent report, why some of these labels are mistakenly applied to gifted children.

Nadia Webb is a neuron-psychologist who has just co-authored a book- Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults. Webb says labels like ADHD, Bipolar Disorder, depression and Asperger's Syndrome are often mistakenly applied to gifted kids.

�With gifted kids, because they're children, they're often under challenged. They find ways to entertain themselves and it's not always constructive,� said Webb.

They can often be disruptive in classrooms and perform in ways parents and teachers may not expect.

�I think we tend to think of gifted kids as the ones who get straight A's and that's actually not true. They tend to fly under the radar,� said Webb.

Signs may include:
A vivid imagination/
Excellent reading and verbal skills
Intense curiosity
Questions authority
Unfocused behavior

�They can look ADHD because they can have 9 projects, 8 of them unfinished so they look scattered because they�re just broadly curious,� said Webb.

That can be a challenge for parents and teachers. Webb says their issues are just as unique as kids who have learning disabilities. She says parents and educators must find a way to correctly identify them and meet their needs.
�It's easier to give them an interesting assignment, instead of spending time watching them be off task, having them disrupt the classroom, having them pick the laminate off the top of the desk,� said Webb.

Webb says about 25-percent of gifted children eventually drop out of school because they're misdiagnosed and under challenged and says the key is for parents to work closely with teachers to help these kids meet their potential.

I sure miss Max

jedimom777 Wrote:
SO funny... I come here often... Today, I was reading the endless statistical and descrptive breakdown of the aspie quiz corellation stuff and I realized that I am a non-aspie gifted type.  I have almost all the indicators of aspie talent as put forth in the section that describes the more descriptive characteristics with none of the distractibility and hyprefocus stuff.  here were some glaring spots that didn't fit, but it made me retake the quiz... same score.. Aspie 22 of 200.  very nt indeed, but I went to the giftedness website that appears on the aspie site and I am described by EACh of them except, again, the singularity of focus. And I do finish stuff.   I wonder if there is a tribe out there for people like me???  I had a thread before where I asked about this, I think it was High IQ nts... the minority?  I always felt like I was trying to fit into an Aspie world.  I just didn't have the word for it.  Anyone know anyone like me????  


woman from mars Wrote:

Quote:
clock Sep 13, 2007 2:50 pm US/Mountain
ADHD Mistakenly Applied To Gifted Kids

(KUTV) Is your child labeled a troublemaker at school? Have they been diagnosed with ADHD? In our Parent 2 Parent report, why some of these labels are mistakenly applied to gifted children.

Nadia Webb is a neuron-psychologist who has just co-authored a book- Misdiagnosis and Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults. Webb says labels like ADHD, Bipolar Disorder, depression and Asperger's Syndrome are often mistakenly applied to gifted kids.

�With gifted kids, because they're children, they're often under challenged. They find ways to entertain themselves and it's not always constructive,� said Webb.

They can often be disruptive in classrooms and perform in ways parents and teachers may not expect.

�I think we tend to think of gifted kids as the ones who get straight A's and that's actually not true. They tend to fly under the radar,� said Webb.

Signs may include:
A vivid imagination/
Excellent reading and verbal skills
Intense curiosity
Questions authority
Unfocused behavior

�They can look ADHD because they can have 9 projects, 8 of them unfinished so they look scattered because they�re just broadly curious,� said Webb.

That can be a challenge for parents and teachers. Webb says their issues are just as unique as kids who have learning disabilities. She says parents and educators must find a way to correctly identify them and meet their needs.
�It's easier to give them an interesting assignment, instead of spending time watching them be off task, having them disrupt the classroom, having them pick the laminate off the top of the desk,� said Webb.

Webb says about 25-percent of gifted children eventually drop out of school because they're misdiagnosed and under challenged and says the key is for parents to work closely with teachers to help these kids meet their potential.


Jedimom - me and you I guess are very similar.  Though I have never felt like an outsider - cuz I think I explicitly made sure I was.  The last thing I would ever want to identify myself is with a group - I hovered in and out of all groups.  My choice - the road less traveled?

When younger, this article reminds me of what I may have been like - but I have no actual memory of school until about the 5th grade... there seems to be intelligence in my family and a bunch of nonconformity.  I was either born or brought up to be against authority - (but in a quiet -barely spoke - girl packaging) but I was so quiet, so quiet,  I was able to quietly not do what I was asked to do - I asked my mom (before mothers day) how it was that at age 5 (1st grade) the school tested me for IQ/gifted and talented - and she said it was because I was so quiet they wondered if I was bright/bored/unchallenged or well maybe slow. I was always expressionless or passive looking (I've seen the photos of me at school- my parents stopped buying them as I looked so blank) and I could either be bored/unchallenged or maybe dumb.  I do not identify with being an aspie in any way - as the main difference bewtwwen being gifted and aspie and gifted and some other nuerotype is I think being able to smoothely figure out social situations.  I think I do that well.  

If someone is a boy and they are more active, and spoke out loud NO, then they would be called a "problem child" and then be treated as such.  Someone tells a kid repeatedly that they are bad, (often times parents - particularly with precocious kids who talk more than others their age group - the parents start trying to shut them up) They stuff asnwring their kids questions, the kids look for distractions and guess what kids make bad choices if left alone, they eventually will be exactly asthey are told they were, bad. All the usual psychology applies. I feel bad for boys - they get a bum rap when they are younger - and girls that don't "act" like the teachers think girls should act.  The double standards and arbitrary ways teachers and society hods dear can really have lasting impact on the development of a childs learning potential.

We were lucky with our oldest as he was not a fast moving, "stereotypical" boy type, rough and tumble child at all.  He could always sit still when asked - so he as considered well mannered and polite - the farthest from hyper.  This kept him from being labeled ADHD for along time.

I'd say it's much more accurate to say 'most gifted children also have some sort of neurological condition' than to say that the conditions are a mane--oh man, I almost wrote manifestation.  Must have caught some kind of wordiness bug; lemme try that again.  Better to say most gifted kids also have problems than to say giftedness often makes it look like they have problems.  And I mean problems in the most positive--well, no, not really.  I mean problems as in for the teacher.

Batman55 Wrote:
I've probably said it a thousand times before, but why not say it again?

You can have Asperger's without being "gifted."  Fact.


I didn't say most people with Asperger's are gifted, I said most gifted people have Aspergers or something similar, or are just plain undiagnosably weird.

Alias Pseudonym Wrote:
I'd say it's much more accurate ....... Better to say most gifted kids also have problems than to say giftedness often makes it look like they have problems.  And I mean problems in the most positive--well, no, not really.  I mean problems as in for the teacher.


and there you have it! (though some (good) teachers will remember that child years later as one of the best... all perspective.

(I didn't think my son could be an aspergers type - as he has no obvious gift - some may uncover themselves, but for right now anyway - he is a mish mosh - ON PAPER - scores all over the place (#'s are nonsense) In person he shines (as only mother could say) or I should say, In person he can shine (it depends on if he's well rested and noone has messed wth his schedule and he's well rested... He is like all people unique and complex and at the same time an easy person to deal with if you know him and are straightforward and honest.

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