Yesturday, my mother and I were traveling home from church. I brought up something about people with short arms, or no arms at all. She mentioned that somewhere there was a drug used for women who vomited during pregnancy. The drug caused deformitied in the unborn children, and many were born with deformed arms. Then she brought up a little story of a grandmother and a mother in the United states that used the drug.
The child was murdered for having deformed arms and the mother used the famous excuse that we all see too often. "She would have grown up and had a life of shame and suffering."
I said "Look, they killed her in their own best interests. They did that for themselves. They couldn't stand the fact that the little girl had short arms, and they didn't understand what she would have learned from having them. They may have believed that she would have gone on hurting inside, but they didn't give her a chance to meat the curcumstances. She didn't have birthday parties or friends that come and go. She didn't go to school or deal with her relatives' dislike or acceptance of her impairment. She was just this set of short arms."
Her mother only looked at her arms rather than aknowledge the child she really was. All she looked at was the deformity.
My mother's reply just showed how stupid this "They will only suffer" myth really is to me. "Well, when I was working at that ice cream store, there was a man that had his arm maimed from an accident. He told me to put the bag of purchased stuff under his arm, so I did. He was holding something else in his other hand, and taking care of his kids at the same time. He wasn't isolated for missing an arm most of his life, and he had plenty of friends. There are some people in the world that just can't deal with someone like that. I mean common.. How many people that are called normal live hellish lives? "
I replied "Yeah. Alot of them do. Different people live differently, so everyone has different experiances. Having a difference obviously doesn't determine the curcumstances or outcomes that will be. To bad some people out there only want to look at it the bad way."
Some parents have Autistic children, but sometimes make bad choices because of negative sterio typing. That sterio typing is thinking that because Autistic people don't communicate or act like norms, we are "only going to suffer" in life. Being a worrying parent does not justify killing an innocent child! We shouldn't make excuses for this form of mercy killing because it's ignorant and selfish. Unfortunatly, I have occasionaly seen people do that. "Oh, but the mother was concerned about her child." Strange way to show her love and support.
Yesturday, my mother and I were traveling home from church. I brought up something about people with short arms, or no arms at all. She mentioned that somewhere there was a drug used for women who vomited during pregnancy. The drug caused deformitied in the unborn children, and many were born with deformed arms. Then she brought up a little story of a grandmother and a mother in the United states that used the drug.
The child was murdered for having deformed arms and the mother used the famous excuse that we all see too often. "She would have grown up and had a life of shame and suffering."
I said "Look, they killed her in their own best interests. They did that for themselves. They couldn't stand the fact that the little girl had short arms, and they didn't understand what she would have learned from having them. They may have believed that she would have gone on hurting inside, but they didn't give her a chance to meat the curcumstances. She didn't have birthday parties or friends that come and go. She didn't go to school or deal with her relatives' dislike or acceptance of her impairment. She was just this set of short arms."
Her mother only looked at her arms rather than aknowledge the child she really was. All she looked at was the deformity.
My mother's reply just showed how stupid this "They will only suffer" myth really is to me. "Well, when I was working at that ice cream store, there was a man that had his arm maimed from an accident. He told me to put the bag of purchased stuff under his arm, so I did. He was holding something else in his other hand, and taking care of his kids at the same time. He wasn't isolated for missing an arm most of his life, and he had plenty of friends. There are some people in the world that just can't deal with someone like that. I mean common.. How many people that are called normal live hellish lives? "
I replied "Yeah. Alot of them do. Different people live differently, so everyone has different experiances. Having a difference obviously doesn't determine the curcumstances or outcomes that will be. To bad some people out there only want to look at it the bad way."
Some parents have Autistic children, but sometimes make bad choices because of negative sterio typing. That sterio typing is thinking that because Autistic people don't communicate or act like norms, we are "only going to suffer" in life. Being a worrying parent does not justify killing an innocent child! We shouldn't make excuses for this form of mercy killing because it's ignorant and selfish. Unfortunatly, I have occasionaly seen people do that. "Oh, but the mother was concerned about her child." Strange way to show her love and support.
The drug used for treating morning sickness in pregnant women during the fifties and early sixties was thalidomide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide.
Alison Lapper is a successful artist who was born with no arms and very short legs.
http://www.alisonlapper.com/
Thanks for the nifty links. 
Yesturday, my mother and I were traveling home from church. I brought up something about people with short arms, or no arms at all. She mentioned that somewhere there was a drug used for women who vomited during pregnancy. The drug caused deformitied in the unborn children, and many were born with deformed arms. Then she brought up a little story of a grandmother and a mother in the United states that used the drug.
The child was murdered for having deformed arms and the mother used the famous excuse that we all see too often. "She would have grown up and had a life of shame and suffering."
I said "Look, they killed her in their own best interests. They did that for themselves. They couldn't stand the fact that the little girl had short arms, and they didn't understand what she would have learned from having them. They may have believed that she would have gone on hurting inside, but they didn't give her a chance to meat the curcumstances. She didn't have birthday parties or friends that come and go. She didn't go to school or deal with her relatives' dislike or acceptance of her impairment. She was just this set of short arms."
Her mother only looked at her arms rather than aknowledge the child she really was. All she looked at was the deformity.
My mother's reply just showed how stupid this "They will only suffer" myth really is to me. "Well, when I was working at that ice cream store, there was a man that had his arm maimed from an accident. He told me to put the bag of purchased stuff under his arm, so I did. He was holding something else in his other hand, and taking care of his kids at the same time. He wasn't isolated for missing an arm most of his life, and he had plenty of friends. There are some people in the world that just can't deal with someone like that. I mean common.. How many people that are called normal live hellish lives? "
I replied "Yeah. Alot of them do. Different people live differently, so everyone has different experiances. Having a difference obviously doesn't determine the curcumstances or outcomes that will be. To bad some people out there only want to look at it the bad way."
Some parents have Autistic children, but sometimes make bad choices because of negative sterio typing. That sterio typing is thinking that because Autistic people don't communicate or act like norms, we are "only going to suffer" in life. Being a worrying parent does not justify killing an innocent child! We shouldn't make excuses for this form of mercy killing because it's ignorant and selfish. Unfortunatly, I have occasionaly seen people do that. "Oh, but the mother was concerned about her child." Strange way to show her love and support.
Yesturday, my mother and I were traveling home from church. I brought up something about people with short arms, or no arms at all. She mentioned that somewhere there was a drug used for women who vomited during pregnancy. The drug caused deformitied in the unborn children, and many were born with deformed arms. Then she brought up a little story of a grandmother and a mother in the United states that used the drug.
The child was murdered for having deformed arms and the mother used the famous excuse that we all see too often. "She would have grown up and had a life of shame and suffering."
I said "Look, they killed her in their own best interests. They did that for themselves. They couldn't stand the fact that the little girl had short arms, and they didn't understand what she would have learned from having them. They may have believed that she would have gone on hurting inside, but they didn't give her a chance to meat the curcumstances. She didn't have birthday parties or friends that come and go. She didn't go to school or deal with her relatives' dislike or acceptance of her impairment. She was just this set of short arms."
Her mother only looked at her arms rather than aknowledge the child she really was. All she looked at was the deformity.
My mother's reply just showed how stupid this "They will only suffer" myth really is to me. "Well, when I was working at that ice cream store, there was a man that had his arm maimed from an accident. He told me to put the bag of purchased stuff under his arm, so I did. He was holding something else in his other hand, and taking care of his kids at the same time. He wasn't isolated for missing an arm most of his life, and he had plenty of friends. There are some people in the world that just can't deal with someone like that. I mean common.. How many people that are called normal live hellish lives? "
I replied "Yeah. Alot of them do. Different people live differently, so everyone has different experiances. Having a difference obviously doesn't determine the curcumstances or outcomes that will be. To bad some people out there only want to look at it the bad way."
Some parents have Autistic children, but sometimes make bad choices because of negative sterio typing. That sterio typing is thinking that because Autistic people don't communicate or act like norms, we are "only going to suffer" in life. Being a worrying parent does not justify killing an innocent child! We shouldn't make excuses for this form of mercy killing because it's ignorant and selfish. Unfortunatly, I have occasionaly seen people do that. "Oh, but the mother was concerned about her child." Strange way to show her love and support.
Suffering is not a myth. It would be true and accurate to say of an Aspie child, "She will suffer." But then show me the child who will have no suffering.
Suffering is from the moment we born to moment we die. For further details, see
ZEN BUDDHISM .
The underlying principle here is "It's better to be dead than to be different."
An idiotic, sick thing to believe, of course...
and it raises the question "Is it better to be dead than to be that sick and idiotic?"
My brother had a friend who was born like that. I thought she was really cool. She had one short arm, another arm with just a finger and a thumb and little flippy feet with no legs between. She had fake legs. She just went out and did things.
I asked her once how she felt about her differentness. She told me that she was used to it because she was born that way. (same way maybe I felt when I was told that I had face blindness at age 21. -except I never knew I had it) The problem is with how other people treat us or don't accept us because we are different. I keep saying this over and over.
Why do people expect us to be miserable all the time because we are different? Who the hell is happy 100% of the time anyway? (maybe the Dalai Lama but China still wouldn't free Tibet)
Well-played, Neo. :-)
My pain as an Asperger's man is a reference-point for the joys life brings me.
Here's one: what would it be if neither suffering or non-suffering, neither enlightenment nor ignorance?
;-)
Your words interest me.
Well-played, Neo. :-)
There's suffering contained in happiness and vice-versa. Getting a tattoo, giving birth. If you ask me, the boundaries blur between suffering and non-suffering. What is one if not the other? If life was nothing but pleasure, pleasure would not exist. My pain as an Asperger's man is a reference-point for the joys life brings me.
Here's one: what would it be if neither suffering or non-suffering, neither enlightenment nor ignorance?
;-)
Without pain, we would continue to exacerbate an injury / ignore an illness & likely die, or become deformed, as do lepers.
Without evil it would be hard to experience happiness.
For every action, there is a reaction.
My brother had a friend who was born like that. I thought she was really cool. She had one short arm, another arm with just a finger and a thumb and little flippy feet with no legs between. She had fake legs. She just went out and did things.
I asked her once how she felt about her differentness. She told me that she was used to it because she was born that way. (same way maybe I felt when I was told that I had face blindness at age 21. -except I never knew I had it) The problem is with how other people treat us or don't accept us because we are different. I keep saying this over and over.
Why do people expect us to be miserable all the time because we are different? Who the hell is happy 100% of the time anyway? (maybe the Dalai Lama but China still wouldn't free Tibet)
I have known people born with these & other deformities ( not known to be drug caused ), and as you say, they just get on with their lives because they know no different, just the same as a blind person, or someone with spastic limbs or any other difference, mental or physical..
And they do live, experiencing misery & also happiness, they have babies & join groups just the same as anyone else, because whatever they have is only skin deep.
ALL differences are only skin deep unless others' decide differently.
Here's one: what would it be if neither suffering or non-suffering, neither enlightenment nor ignorance?
;-)
My point .... Having a dissorder doesn't imediatly deturmine what they will experiance, but doom thinking parents believe that it's only going to go wrong and nothing good will come out of it.
Then some of them think they are actualy giving mercy to the child by drowning, drugging, or what have you. In my religion, it's believed that the child does get mercy when killed, but there is a bad price the parent or relative pays for doing it. Living with it is likely going to happen to them, unless they are incapable of emotion or something.
If I try to study your religious material in the way you suggest, I will be showing disrespect my God who has been rightly fair to me. I sure had quite enough problems of my own which I don't blame AS for in the least. Thanks for asking.
Two old ladies saw me sixteen years ago, and extremely pregnant, holding hands in the shopping centre with my husband as we waited in a queue. One lady audibly said to the other, after giving me a long look, "It's the children I feel sorry for," as they walked away.
It was not obvious at that stage that I had Autism. Indeed, back then I didn't know I was. My husband is NT. So what was this lady sorry about? Maybe the fact that my husband is black, and I'm white.
Such nasty comments happen whenever there's an obvious difference from the cherished NT "norm", whether it be racial, gender, sexual preference, weight-ist (obese or anorexic), or Autism. It shows how small-minded some people can be.
For the record, my husband and I are still together and still very happy. Despite the fact that we're different colours, cultures, and brain wiring!
Alison (who still holds hands with Vernu in shopping malls ... )
I'm so sorry that this happened.
Some people are just plain horrible.
AND I'm very glad that you are all happy, pity that they can't see you now.
I'm so sorry that this happened.
Some people are just plain horrible.
AND I'm very glad that you are all happy, pity that they can't see you now.
I wonder if the narrow-minded of the world would be happy if everybody was a Barbie or Ken doll clone. I'm sure they'd still find something to criticize, even then.
Alison