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People probably hate us because we are different, they probably dont realise we are as human as they are.

Shrek Wrote:
It's not keeping up with the Joneses, CJ, it's blowing the Joneses and Smiths out of the water.



Shrek/Guess Who.....you nailed it.

DogBrain Wrote:
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that de-humanizes them. (next step is not even trying to understand)


When the snarling dog charges me, I don't need to try to "understand", it I NEED TO DEFEND MYSELF!  I'll worry about pretty-fairy-tale world things like "understanding" people who want to destroy me once I am safe from them--BY WHATEVER MEANS ARE NECESSARY.
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Excellent metaphor.  I don't need to know my official diagnosis.  What I need, as you so clearly point out, is first to safeguard my right to be who I am, which is threatened by some members of the establishment status quo dominant social group (NTs by definition).  And yes, to ensure this by whatever means are necessary.  Survival of the fittest?  Hmm..from my perspective it seems that aspies may soon be or already are in a fight for survival.  After guaranteeing our personal safety as well as we can, we must try to figure out where we went wrong or we may not survive intact.  I'm not convinced of my own superiority so much as my right to be who I am.  And I'm quite sure of that right.  As regards my superiority.....when something I think of as a strength is viewed by the dominant social group as a threat  and when something the dominant social group regards as a strength is viewed by me as a threat ...there's a problem.  That problem needs to see the light of day and not be swept under the carpet in order to protect either group.  The dominant social group, by definition, doesn't need protecting because all the institutions of society including legal, military, police, political, and financial are pretty much set up to give them at least most of the social control if not all of it.  If two non-dominant groups conflict with each other, for the sake of detachment, fairness and objectivity - it would be correct to attempt to see both sides of the situation instead of assigning the more experienced group more rights than the less experienced group.  It is a sociological fact that the most dominant group, by definition, gains for itself the lions share of protection as well as resources.  The degree of dominance is directly proportional to the degree of control exerted upon less dominant groups.  If the dominant social group is inclined to do so, it may consider the needs of less dominant groups but may not be so inclined if said groups are consistently causing aggravation.  On the other hand, if the dominant social group aggravates the less dominant social group, it behooves the less dominant group to understand the dynamic.  The dominant social group doesn't need to understand anything in order to survive.  The less dominant group will not survive, unless it can convince the dominant group to give up some of its power and cease activities that may be construed as bullying.

If I dare to be more direct than this, I may reap a tornado upon my head which I certainly will attempt to avoid.  I find the forum a very dangerous place indeed.  The last thing I need or want is to get bit for being thoughtless, tactless or not properly respectful of the rights of the majority.  Nevertheless it bears repeating:  The rights of the majority don't need protecting.  The rights of the minority need protecting.  The minority also needs powerful activists and advocates.  

I rest my case.  Please do not jump all over me.  My motives are based upon wanting peace for everyone - but certainly not peace at any price!!  If I have been tactless, pompous, boring, long-winded, vague or confusing I apologize in advance.  Honestly it isn't my intention to cause offense but knowing myself, I probably have.  Rather than attacking me for it, please try to GENTLY enlighten me.  (I feel strongly about what I posted but later I will probably regret it.  If there is anyone out there who can relate even a tiny bit, I welcome your support.)
  

Yes, I agree...aspies have such a neat way of looking at life that must anger people...I know what it's like to not be liked....I hope that no one hates me, but some people probably do.
because we collect eletronic stuff Smile

Ethel Wrote:
Yes, and I have a friend with an autistic kid, and she reports that since she and he started a gluten free diet they've both been a lot healthier, and her lad's a more comfortable, happier, 'functional' kid.  Whether he'd still have food intolerances if he wasn't autistic really is a moot point, it doesn't change the fact that at least one autistic person is healthier on a GF/CF diet.

The point I'm trying to make is that making grand sweeping statements like "GF/CF diets are stupid!" is not especially helpful.


I did not mean to say that all GF/CF diets are stupid. I just hate it that quacks use them to treat any form of autism, especially if there is no proof of the autistic having food intolerances. I thank you, Ethel, for pointing out my mistake.

zoey Wrote:
  It is surprising that someone with AS would make a blanket scientific about the biochemical aspects of AS without doing the research first or, if that's not doable to have someone else research it and explain it to them.  Autism is intrinsically linked with digestive issues.  Brain chemistry and digestion are intrinsically linked.  To discount the science because unethical people are using it in connection with their cause is using bias.  It's putting a slant on things in the same way that the unethical group is.


I did some research on GF/CF diets and while it may or may not help with behavior, they can help with digestive problems. I'm sorry for speaking out against GF/CF diets. However, that thing about autism being intrinsically liked to digestion I cannot believe. Me and five of my siblings are autistic, none of us are on GF/CF diets, and we're all fine. This is because, according to the doctors, they haven't found any sign of food intolerances in our bodies. While I won't make blanket statements, I stand firm on this statement: autistic people don't always have digestive problems, but if they get along better by avoiding certain foods, that's fine.

Okay, Joker, if it makes you feel better, I'll do my best to switch it to the original topic. I hate that people look at autism as a disease to be cured. It hurts my feelings a lot because I like the way I am and I do not think I am diseased. It sickens me that people try to cure autism through chelation and a whole bunch of other things.
Actually, I gave up speaking to speaking to people finding this page through Google a while ago. Unfortunately, putting someone on Ignore doesn't mean that you cannot see the subject's posts. This means that the person cannot flame you through PM, but s/he can do it in posts. *sighs*

Ethel Wrote:
Personal attacks reported to moderator.


About that, I have been trying not to attack you and would very much like this flame war to end because I don't like being rude and I'm sure both of us are worn out.

Ethel Wrote:
Johanna, it's very simple.  If you don't want to be rude, don't be.  If you don't want to pick fights, don't.  If you want to play nicely with the other members, do so.

But if you DO insult other members, call them names, question their sanity, tell them they sound like they're incoherent from chemotherapy, or that they need psychological help because their belifs differ from yours, do not expect the rest of us to lie down and take it passively.  I am not a doormat, and having a random stranger type words at me for 48 hours is not remotely going to "wear me out".


OK, I won't pick fights. So does this mean I can call a truce? *offers white flag to Ethel* By "worn out" I meant more emotionally from anger.

Callista Wrote:
There's a difference between saying "GF/CF makes people with touchy digestive systems healthier" and "GF/CF cures autism". The first one's a solid theory; both wheat and milk can be hard to digest. The second one's unproven, with no evidence. You would have to pick autistic kids with good digestion and put them on the GF/CF diet, and see if it helps. Actually, I was on GF/CF a good chunk of my childhood because my mom has one of the aforesaid touchy digestive systems, and it was easier to just buy for the whole family. It made no difference to me when I was on or off it--I've had depression both with and without milk and wheat in my diet, and my autistic symptoms have been pretty constant, increasing or decreasing only as a function of stress.

Get fifty more like me--autistic with no digestive problems--put them on GF/CF. Take another fifty, give them normal meals different only in the milk/wheat component. Tell neither group (or their nutritionists) which they're getting. Monitor autistic traits. Should lead to a decent answer by the end of six months or so.


Callista, you have expressed yourself about GF/CF better than I have ever done. I bow to someone better than me at expression and also because I agree with the person.

aliengirl Wrote:
Hi,

Was just pottering about on the internet and found the comments at the end of this post:

http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2007/01/h...dults.html

and I also found this blog:

http:// hating autism . blogspot .com/2006/07/2006-neurodiversity-roster-cant-tell.html]http://hatingautism. blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-neurodiversity-roster-cant-tell.html

Why do people hate us so much?
I don't understand Sad



They are jealous because we are sooooo coooool!
I wish I knew that answer///
I've been pondering that myself..
I think people just hate what or who they don't understand
But knowing that does not make it hurt lessSad

TheZach Wrote:
If you ask me its pretty dang obvious Why the Autism Rights movement is not well liked.



And as usual, you have no idea of what you are talking about. Ever heard of libel? Defamation? Well, I guess you and your infamous mate Timelord should look up the meanings, given the drivel you two prime candidates for Darwin awards have posted all about the place. And for a prat such as yourself to be shooting off his mouth about harassment when someone was actually trying to HELP you makes it sound funnier than a George Carlin sketch. Now we are just getting to the nub of the matter; Rossco tried to help you about the T-shirts (which was no big deal, they couldn't have sued you anyway), and you flipped him off. Then you write all this rubbish about him harassing you, and posting lies and mistruths on every site from here to kingdom come. Then when you don't get what you want, you try to take places down by threatening legal action. Similar tactics to your mate, who probably started it in the first place. You should have picked better cohorts, given that Timelord is a sandwich short of a picnic (let him sue me - it's my opinion and i stand by it). Then you chicken out of a challenge to set things straight and go crying off to some other site, just to make Rossco look bad. Didn't work, because it only made you out to be an even bigger goose. Then you get support from Lucie1. What an even bigger laugh. She comes over to I2, poses as a male to have a go at Rossco, and made an even bigger fool of herself. But I suppose it takes all sorts, doesn't it. Maybe when they cast for the roles in the next 3 Stooges movie, you, Timelord and Lucie1 should go for auditions; maybe it would be the only success you may have.

Flardox, thanks for your comment. The guy that was attacked on the website is a good friend of mine and I think the remarks were totally uncalled for, not to mention showing a great deal of ingratitude and spoiled-child-like petulance.
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