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aliengirl Wrote:
Hi,

Was just pottering about on the internet and found the comments at the end of this post:

http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2007/01/h...dults.html

and I also found this blog:

http:// hating autism . blogspot .com/2006/07/2006-neurodiversity-roster-cant-tell.html]http://hatingautism. blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-neurodiversity-roster-cant-tell.html

Why do people hate us so much?
I don't understand Sad

how did that come up so many times? I am just learning to chat.  What did I do to many times?
how did that come up so many times? I am just learning to chat.  What did I do to many times?
cause quite a few of the aspies end of the spectrum can do things easily eg maths, computers whatever, the majority of the population cannot. But cannot get a good joke at a BBQ. (tongue in cheek). In reality people will just shun what they don't understand because of stereotyping (Rainman a good example, great movie but probably has set us back years)
A NOTE TO CUREBIES>I note the above link this brings to mind a phenomenom I have noted with curebies where anything that is wrong with the child physically, eg. tonsillitis causing an ear infection is automatically attributed to autism. The idea being food intolerances cause autism and cause the infection.

In this case the tonsils form a barrier against infection from external agents such as bacteria of which there is no shortage in the atmosphere. This is term enlarges them which helps block off the eutescheon tube causing an ear infection.

In my own son, dxed aspies. He suffered from tonsillitis, infected ear passages as a toddler. Removal of offending items also removed the infected ear problem. If I was a curebie I would place the child on a caesin and gluten free diet since that is supposed to remove the ear infection. This would have to be a very dangerous practice to not correctly diagnose the ailment correctly in the first place (tonsilitis) and use a half baked idea instead.

So, if a child is dxed with autistic spectrum disorder and suffers a physical ailment. It would be most advantageous to look for the real organic cause of the ailment rather than use of a half baked curebie theory that says every ailment is a result of the autistic spectrum disorder dx. TAKE CARE.

micgrace Wrote:
A NOTE TO CUREBIES>I note the above link this brings to mind a phenomenom I have noted with curebies where anything that is wrong with the child physically, eg. tonsillitis causing an ear infection is automatically attributed to autism. The idea being food intolerances cause autism and cause the infection.

In this case the tonsils form a barrier against infection from external agents such as bacteria of which there is no shortage in the atmosphere. This is term enlarges them which helps block off the eutescheon tube causing an ear infection.

In my own son, dxed aspies. He suffered from tonsillitis, infected ear passages as a toddler. Removal of offending items also removed the infected ear problem. If I was a curebie I would place the child on a caesin and gluten free diet since that is supposed to remove the ear infection. This would have to be a very dangerous practice to not correctly diagnose the ailment correctly in the first place (tonsilitis) and use a half baked idea instead.

So, if a child is dxed with autistic spectrum disorder and suffers a physical ailment. It would be most advantageous to look for the real organic cause of the ailment rather than use of a half baked curebie theory that says every ailment is a result of the autistic spectrum disorder dx. TAKE CARE.


That is a message that is too true. GF/CF diets are stupid! I can't believe that people actually believe the quacks that say that GF/CF diets will actually help with the behavior of an autistic child. Just because a child is autistic doesn't mean that they automatically need a different treatment to a medical ailment than a NT. That's like corraling people who seem to be "weird" from the rest who are "normal" and giving them different treatments their diseases in a hospital. The "normal" people get conventional treatments that are tried and true while the "weirdos" are given a special diet of only junk food to cure them because junk food is thought to treat "weirdness" and all physical ailments come from that state.

Good day to you all and I sincerely hope that you all get the point I am trying to make, especially the CUREBIES!!

Gareth Wrote:

Johanna Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:
A NOTE TO CUREBIES>I note the above link this brings to mind a phenomenom I have noted with curebies where anything that is wrong with the child physically, eg. tonsillitis causing an ear infection is automatically attributed to autism. The idea being food intolerances cause autism and cause the infection.

In this case the tonsils form a barrier against infection from external agents such as bacteria of which there is no shortage in the atmosphere. This is term enlarges them which helps block off the eutescheon tube causing an ear infection.

In my own son, dxed aspies. He suffered from tonsillitis, infected ear passages as a toddler. Removal of offending items also removed the infected ear problem. If I was a curebie I would place the child on a caesin and gluten free diet since that is supposed to remove the ear infection. This would have to be a very dangerous practice to not correctly diagnose the ailment correctly in the first place (tonsilitis) and use a half baked idea instead.

So, if a child is dxed with autistic spectrum disorder and suffers a physical ailment. It would be most advantageous to look for the real organic cause of the ailment rather than use of a half baked curebie theory that says every ailment is a result of the autistic spectrum disorder dx. TAKE CARE.


That is a message that is too true. GF/CF diets are stupid! I can't believe that people actually believe the quacks that say that GF/CF diets will actually help with the behavior of an autistic child. Just because a child is autistic doesn't mean that they automatically need a different treatment to a medical ailment than a NT. That's like corraling people who seem to be "weird" from the rest who are "normal" and giving them different treatments their diseases in a hospital. The "normal" people get conventional treatments that are tried and true while the "weirdos" are given a special diet of only junk food to cure them because junk food is thought to treat "weirdness" and all physical ailments come from that state.

Good day to you all and I sincerely hope that you all get the point I am trying to make, especially the CUREBIES!!


This and your other post have me confused, you seem to have gotten the impression that this is a curebie site when we're the exact opposite. Why is this?


Keep your pants on, Gareth. I know this isn't a curebie site. If I thought it was, I wouldn't have registered in the first place. That comment is directed at anyone who decides to Google GF/CF diets and gets this page (this is in case it does, I don't know if a link to this page would come up). Also, I am ranting about how absurd GF/CF diets are since I rarely get a chance to do it in public.
Message: I do not think I am among curebies. If it seems that I am writing something directed at curebies, it is because I am venting about how I feel about our treatment in society.

Ethel Wrote:
I hate to spoil a good rant, but if a person with autism also happens to have food intolerances (gut problems seem to come with the co-morbid package sometimes) then it'd be silly NOT to eat a special diet if it makes you feel better.

Um, there is no scientific evidence that if an autistic person has food intolerances simply because s/he is autistic. What would be more accurate is: "This person is autistic and also has food intolerances." That has a different implication than "gut problems seem to come with the co-morbid package sometimes." I am autistic and there is no specific evidence of me having food intolerances unless I was taken to see a quack doctor who says that autism automatically indicates digestive problems. My NT cousin, on the other hand, is allergic to gluten and she even gets an allergic reaction if someone touches her after eating gluten. Which one of us is the better candidate for the GF/CF diet? *A whole bunch of people shout out: "Johanna's cousin!"* Yup, I thought so. I am not ranting against special diets for autistic people entirely. I am ranting about how some people think that autism and digestive disorders are automatically linked and how some curebie doctors prescribe a special diet for an autistic person for almost any ailment rather than try to find out the cause.

Johanna Wrote:

Ethel Wrote:
Yes, and I have a friend with an autistic kid, and she reports that since she and he started a gluten free diet they've both been a lot healthier, and her lad's a more comfortable, happier, 'functional' kid.  Whether he'd still have food intolerances if he wasn't autistic really is a moot point, it doesn't change the fact that at least one autistic person is healthier on a GF/CF diet.

The point I'm trying to make is that making grand sweeping statements like "GF/CF diets are stupid!" is not especially helpful.


I did not mean to say that all GF/CF diets are stupid. I just hate it that quacks use them to treat any form of autism, especially if there is no proof of the autistic having food intolerances. I thank you, Ethel, for pointing out my mistake.

zoey Wrote:

Johanna Wrote:

Ethel Wrote:
Yes, and I have a friend with an autistic kid, and she reports that since she and he started a gluten free diet they've both been a lot healthier, and her lad's a more comfortable, happier, 'functional' kid.  Whether he'd still have food intolerances if he wasn't autistic really is a moot point, it doesn't change the fact that at least one autistic person is healthier on a GF/CF diet.

The point I'm trying to make is that making grand sweeping statements like "GF/CF diets are stupid!" is not especially helpful.


I did not mean to say that all GF/CF diets are stupid. I just hate it that quacks use them to treat any form of autism, especially if there is no proof of the autistic having food intolerances. I thank you, Ethel, for pointing out my mistake.


  It is surprising that someone with AS would make a blanket scientific about the biochemical aspects of AS without doing the research first or, if that's not doable to have someone else research it and explain it to them.  Autism is intrinsically linked with digestive issues.  Brain chemistry and digestion are intrinsically linked.  To discount the science because unethical people are using it in connection with their cause is using bias.  It's putting a slant on things in the same way that the unethical group is.

Johanna Wrote:

zoey Wrote:
  It is surprising that someone with AS would make a blanket scientific about the biochemical aspects of AS without doing the research first or, if that's not doable to have someone else research it and explain it to them.  Autism is intrinsically linked with digestive issues.  Brain chemistry and digestion are intrinsically linked.  To discount the science because unethical people are using it in connection with their cause is using bias.  It's putting a slant on things in the same way that the unethical group is.


I did some research on GF/CF diets and while it may or may not help with behavior, they can help with digestive problems. I'm sorry for speaking out against GF/CF diets. However, that thing about autism being intrinsically liked to digestion I cannot believe. Me and five of my siblings are autistic, none of us are on GF/CF diets, and we're all fine. This is because, according to the doctors, they haven't found any sign of food intolerances in our bodies. While I won't make blanket statements, I stand firm on this statement: autistic people don't always have digestive problems, but if they get along better by avoiding certain foods, that's fine.



    When you say you did some research, that is not going to be enough.  It is a hugely complicated subject.  Austistics do not have the amount of food enzyme production non-autistics have.   The lack of enzyme is a genetic component of being autistic.  Neurotransmitters and brain chemical hormones are countless other body functions are created and regulated through processes that start with the breakdown of food by enzymes.    

    Try to let go of the curebie wheat dairy diet concept.  It was just a theory a few years ago, never proven.  That diet can help autistic people sometimes, but it is not a direct connection, it just helps other things that help other things that eventually help with the brain chemicals. It is very very complicated and pretty boring unless you are an older aspie and have to deal with it because the little amount of enzyme production you had reduces to pretty much nothing and you have no choice but to learn about it just to get through your life.

Yeah Max, I had some fun on other forums with Ziyaret, Illusionist, Timelord, Lucie but not Yetti. She was probably the pick of the bunch to flame......."memories like the corners of my mind......"

So anyhow it looks like you ladies are OK. No picking fights = no retaliations. Everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs regardless of whether the other thinks the belief is rubbish, or not. No-one needs to have their own beliefs forced on the other. I think everything is pretty squared away and I am going to get some dinner. I am thinking Turkish Pizza.
Personally I don't think thepopulation at large hates us since so many of us can pass unoticed under the radar.

I think it is the case of individuals being excluded from social situations, and work is a social situation, based on the perceived "eccentricities" of the individual. ie unable to achieve well in a team situation and other bulldust that is reeled out nowdays. Its not intentional. Just misguided via lack of knowledge as to what a difference an aspie can make.

Various groups are running around purporting to represent aspies, when in reality they are running another agenda, such as pushing "cures" for something that is normal, if rare. I repeat is normal and NOT a disease. Virtually all people will have at least one trait of aspies. Which is why it is so difficult to dx.

So if someone has done statistics they may be familiar with a bell curve, so lets have the % of population vs number of aspie traits done. So, say 0.5% will have no aspie traits (pure NT) and 0.5% will have full aspie traits (Pure Aspie)(actually 1 in 160). The rest will fall in between. That is why a cure will not occur. But the extremes of the distribution make people uneasy as it is different. That is all there is to it.

TheZach Wrote:
why people don't take them seriously?


Take who seriously mate?

Does anyone take YOU seriously? Didn't get your facts right about the shirt thing with Autism Speaks and made an *** of yourself and then backed it up with making an *** outta yourself with the "Google thinks" whine.

Now look at you. Talking *** and hi-fiving yourself like you are something.....I dunno........relevant?

You are a nobody TheZach. Worse. You are just a dumb kid who can't get over himself and beyond all reason and sense to cut his losses and slink away, has decided to own and wear his stupidity as a badge of honor and parade it around the forum.

There is probably a reason why you are as pathetic as you are but I really don't care why. I don't care whether you stay or go or write crap about me or not. I am not going to change you. No-one here is. The reason why not is because no amount of quality data fed into a poor quality brain is going to produce clever, reasonable, rational, logical thought. You are a waste of time and space.

TBH I prefer you stay. I like something to laugh at. Smile

You find that funny.
I find you funny.
Glad we are all having fun.
Can you do me a big favour and keep rolling out that protracted whine? (Oh and let me know if you are taking de-stress breaks to pace the room in between posts. Also if you are sound out the words to sound tough.) Oh go on....
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