Aspies For Freedom

Timelord Wrote:

Joy, I like your post because it proves something I've been saying for some time. Not to this board - but in general.

When people behave like that, they think it's a joke or something along those lines. But when it's dished back at them - they get all bent out of shape. Moral of the story - if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

The pain they cause with their comments needs to be made crystal clear. That's the way I show it - by treating them the same way, and when they complain, my response is "how does it feel huh?" Or words to that effect.

Of course it doesn't always work - such as when people don't realise they have actually offended you and don't understand why. So when you fire back, you can understand why they are upset and angry. But of course us Aspies have to be told first (for the most part anyway)! Unless we've had previous practical experience in it!

Mind you - this doesn't apply when you tell the person they've offended you and they refuse to believe it.

Sorry - rambling just a tad there!

Pull the other one Phil, it's got bells on.

wilky Wrote:

Pull the other one Phil, it's got bells on.

*DING* Seconds Out--Round Two.

Timelord Wrote:

And that is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Refusal to believe. Enough said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1cdI69zo...ed&search=

Tongue

Timelord Wrote:

The battle is over, QD - I just won on a TKO. Tongue

Isn�t that what the loser thinks...

Just before Rocky staggers to his feet to win the match?

1. Rocky unconscious
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3. Eh
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5. Moves head
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7. Is on one knee
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9. Stands and sways
Smile

Timelord Wrote:

And that is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Refusal to believe. Enough said.

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Mind you - this doesn't apply when you tell the person they've offended you and they refuse to believe it.

Talking about yourself again?

Please accept��my humble apologies IF I HAVE "offended" you.

I dedicate this song to you. Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCw8jqa1g0c

shamshir1218 Wrote:

Those pathetic NT's, with their snobbish appeal, are illogical, assuming, shallow monsters with little or no ability to put their own selves in our shoes!

shamshir1218 Wrote:

Although I am on the spectrum, and I get along with NT's on the outside, I am similar to Malcolm X in the rights movement, wanting to improve autistic rights by any means possible.

Thankyou for helping my son, my brother and my boyfriend. We're all indebted to you.
I don't need to walk in your NT shoes though. I have a few pairs of my own.

rglovejoy Wrote:

I'm not sure if it is that mainstream people hate us; I think it is more that they are indifferent.��This may be why people support Autism Speaks: they saw an ad on NBC and they think "oh, how terrible" and they pick up the phone to make a pledge, and then it all slips right off of their radar.��

The thing is, most people do not live examined lives and they do not see much further into the future than next week.��Unless they have a family member who is on the spectrum, none of it really registers.

Thankyou for saying this. I totally agree with you. Most people, as you say, don't see much further into the future than next week and the general public are mostly either indifferent, ignorant or have never heard of Autism or Aspergers syndrome.

In six years I have never felt the slightest iota of "hate" towards my autistic son from anyone. I have found the contrary to be true.
I love and respect a wonderful autistic man, and find the title and comments on this and other threads offensive to NT's who love and cherish the autistic people in their lives.

I don't hate, dislike or look down on anyone because they're on the autistic spectrum, but this does not mean I should have to tolerate or not react to people who are personally insulting and offensive towards me because of their personality. Autistic or not.

Timelord STOP insulting or disparaging my girlfriend!
I have chosen to leave you be and warn others away from attacking you because of your mental illness, but I will not continually turn a blind eye to you rubbishing people I care about. This goes double for Wilky. Stop inciting trouble.

"But with Wilky - no. I did nothing wrong unprovoked. If she wants an apology, I'll be happy to comply - when and ONLY when she apologises for insulting me first by refusing to take my view of John Best Junior seriously. And genuinely and not mockingly (as she has already tried to do), and acknowledge her fault. Until then - I stick by my guns. A person who apologises dishonestly (as I would be doing if I did apologise now) is a coward in my opinion."

I know this seems a real representation to you even if it is not fact. I find it hard to keep biting my tongue though.

Apologising for being too harsh or making someone feel bad or worse than they ought to have felt is true and not dishonest.

"And I told you to stay right away from me, Rossco!! Wilky did the wrong thing. That's not an insult - it's the *** TRUTH!! At least you had the sense to see that Wilky wasn't helping in this thread - I'll give you that much.

So you apologise if you don't mean it in your heart? That's cowardice - because it means you have no principles. A person who sacrifices principles no matter what the reason has nothing."

Yes you did demand to stay away from me and I equally demanded that you to play nice and leave my friends alone (stop attacking them). You haven't managed that.

You did the wrong thing and your interpretations on things in general is not real. You still have real ability to upset those around you when you strike out at your shadows.

No the bit about the apology is not what I said nor what I meant. I think the way I conduct myself is fine.
If you REALLY want me to "stay away from you" you will avoid opportunities to disrespect those I care about. If you REALLY want closure it starts with an apology to Wilky and taking down the "AS Disappointment" drivel.

Your illness has put you in a position where no matter what you do, you can't get any closure, any respect, or ultimately any satisfaction. Anything an adult has learned in their life it is that there are fights worth fighting and those worth walking AND that In order to change life for the better you have to adapt and that invariably means sacrifice. By not embracing these qualities and ideologies you doom yourself to an existence where you constantly run into these problems. They will never resolve and the world will seem such an unfair place full of unfair people.

A lot of this is to do with your illness. I understand that and that is why I am explaining this and why Max has taken the time to explain. We really don't have to and it is not for OUR benefit.

Timelord Wrote:

But with Wilky - no. I did nothing wrong unprovoked. If she wants an apology, I'll be happy to comply - when and ONLY when she apologises for insulting me first by refusing to take my view of John Best Junior seriously. And genuinely and not mockingly (as she has already tried to do), and acknowledge her fault. Until then - I stick by my guns. A person who apologises dishonestly (as I would be doing if I did apologise now) is a coward in my opinion.

ONLY when she apologises for insulting me first--What is this, the school playground?

If you've offended someone shouldn�t you apologise irrespective of whether you were in right or in the wrong? We all have differences of opinion but that doesn�t mean we should be insulting or hurtful to those who don�t share our views.

Offering a sincere apology isn�t a sign of weakness--it�s a sign of strength. It shows you�re an honourable person--a person to be trusted, respected and taken seriously.

Your credibility is on the line here. If you don't do the gentlemanly thing and apologise--its going to be hard for anyone to take anything you say seriously.

Timelord Wrote:

Speaking for myself - I'd rather not see any PM's from the people I've set to ignore at all. That's why I bother for one. I don't know about anyone else of course.

FTR I've never tried to PM you and have no desire to, but in response to your statement above, I'd like to know If you'll be honest with me when I ask you if you PM others asking them to manipulate me?

If you choose to ignore my question, I'll take your answer as a yes.

I am not hated. Everyone....LOVES.....Rossco.

No I am not serious. LOL

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OK, I think you mean most women are intellectually sufficient. Probably. The most important thing is curiosity. All the intelligence in the world is no use if you don't give a damn to use it.

What on earth is this supposed to mean?  "Most women are intellectually sufficient"?

I read this as meaning women have just enough brains to do the washing and ironing and have babies, but we shouldn't bother our empty heads with serious topics like politics or science that only the superior male brain can understand.   And if we're 'curious'  - aww, isn't that a cute ickle girlie?

GuessWho, I'm female.  And I'm damn smart.  And I don't like being patronised.

I think there's something to be gained from all forms of spirituality--from Taoism, Islam and Christianity to Wicca, Hinduism and Judaism--all are of value and all can offer important insights into world and our relationship with it. Strictly speaking I’m a Christian--but I have a very eclectic view of spirituality and would be just as happy to take part in a Christian prayer meeting as a Buddhist mediation session. I wouldn't consider any religion to be superior to any other--known have a monopoly on the truth--each sees the same thing from a different perspective.

What!! You don't believe in fairies...
Well, I'm shocked...

There's much to be learnt from fairytales.
Actually, I think atheism is more likely to keep the peasants in line; faith can move mountains where as doubt maintains the status quo.

Arctoris Wrote:

quickduck Wrote:

What!! You don't believe in fairies...
Well, I'm shocked...

There's much to be learnt from fairytales.
Actually, I think atheism is more likely to keep the peasants in line; faith can move mountains where as doubt maintains the status quo.

How exactly would Atheism keep the peasants in line? What great promises does Atheism offer? That when you die there's nothing for you whether or not you were a "good" or a "bad" person, that all that awaits you is oblivion? I'm really not sure how that's going to motivate people to obey some king, priest, pastor, imam, lama, or rabbi. Perhaps, instead, not believing in an eternal reward and or punishment would instead motivate people to treasure this life and do their best to make it better, to improve their standard of living, to tackle inequality, to promote our understanding of the universe, to enjoy life. Maybe your faith can move mountains, but while you sit there before the mountain, strong in your faith, we'll be digging away at it with something a little bit more substantial.

Atheism offers no great promises…it also offers no great hope.
Instead creates doubt and uncertainty leading cynicism and acceptance of the status quo.
A divinely inspired man (lets call him Jesus) once challenged a king, a priest, a rabbi--founded a religion--who’s followers tackle inequality and promote understanding of the universe. The same could be said for Buddha, Lao-Tzu and other ‘disreputable’ characters.
Very little is ever achieved without faith; there’s nothing wrong with putting our trust in something bigger than ourselves.
Religion is the very stuff of life--and in my experience it’s spiritual people who treasure life most.
Be careful as your “digging away” at that mountain you don’t cause a landslide and find yourself neck deep in rubble.

Lucie1 Wrote:

wow quickduck...wise words