Has anyone heard more on this story? It sounds like anotherbit of "Cho = Autie Killer" bilge.
ASBO-bid twins are 'autistic'
PLANS to impose an anti-social behaviour order on identical twins have been set back because medical reports show they suffer from autism.
Katie and Ashleigh Lynch, both 19, are subject to interim anti-social behaviour orders imposed by Rossendale magistrates after complaints of alleged drunken and nuisance behaviour in Edgeside, Waterfoot.
But police proposals for a full ASBO have been delayed because a report shows they both have Asperger's syndrome and Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder(ADHD).
Despite the new medical evidence, police are determined to press ahead with the ASBO and an expert witness in the field of autism will be called when magistrates debate the application later this year.
A hearing at Reedley Magistrates court was adjourned yesterday for time to prepare for the full hearing.
David Leach, defending, said: "It has been apparent from an early stage that there is an underlying condition with the twins and a report has been done which concludes that both suffer from conditions under the autism spectrum, namely Asperger's and ADHD."
Mr Leach said it would be unfair on the twins to proceed with the ASBO hearing without the evidence of an expert witness who would be able to give magistrates an insight into any links between criminality and autism.
Luke McGrath, prosecuting for Lancashire police, said they did not contest the medical report and would decide what action to take after hearing from the witness.
Asperger's sufferers have a tendency to focus intensely on areas of interest, hyposensitivity or hypersensitivity to certain stimuli and self-stimulating behaviours such as rocking back and forth, and difficulty interpreting facial expressions and other social cues.
ADHD is characterized by a persistent pattern of inattention and/or hyperactivity, as well as forgetfulness, poor impulse control or impulsivity, and distractibility.
The Lynch twins must live at Shore Avenue in Burnley as part of the terms of the interim ASBO.
They are not allowed to enter Waterfoot and their cases were adjourned until September 13 for a case management hearing .
1:42pm today
oh,goodie....
*sigh* just what they need,more dehumanization evidence.
I suspect that the Lancashire police have had some kind of seminar / course re AS.
Hence the following:-
Police give new voice to disabled
By Citizen reporter
Comment
Police in Bamber Bridge are launching a new initiative to improve communications with the disabled.
They are issuing voice recorders to disabled people to record their contact details in case they require assistance.
A police Disability Police and Communities Together (PACT) meeting identified that some disabled members of the community, including those with Autism and Asperger's syndrome were having problems communicating when in stressful situations.
advertisementPCSO Lisa Gibbons, who has spearheaded the initiative, said: "There are other uses for these recorders, for example, those suffering from dementia or similar conditions could use them to remember simple things such as shopping lists or daily tasks.
"I am sure that there are groups out there that could make use of these recorders."
Bamber Bridge & waterfoot are about 15 minutes away from each other.
theosoph, that is fascinating and disturbing. I really want to know what people think of this...
I have speed read the whole article & have saved it to read at my leisure, will comment further when I have.
I do have an AS nephew who keeps being in trouble with the police & courts, so I have a vested interest.
My thoughts on that;
The theory behind this is unfortunately quite sound. That's a worry for a start.....
BUT!
This is actually an example of what can happen when an ASD is treated incorrectly. So the solution is to get the treatment right - and not be glib with it as has been done in the past. Education for a start. I mean for example, if an ASD child is getting bullied at school and there's no proper education as to how to handle it - the child may end up playing the logical tit for tat. It also affects their education in that they may get expelled and get a reputation for acting in what amounts to self defence. If you get my meaning there.
It all boils down to the buzz word - understanding and tolerance. Such scenarios as what has been quoted above are possible without it - and that's downright frightening because it's bad for those of us in the majority who don't do this sort of thing.
I agree, what I can say about my nephew, is that he was 'always in trouble with someone'.
He had many AS physical symptoms (bowel stuff etc ) & is aged about 25 now,
He is a missed AS in that it was only after quite a lot of trouble with the law & came under probation & psychological assessments, that AS was muted by a CPN.
'The law breaking thing' is very minor:- some trouble re soft drugs, breaking probation & such like, essentially being in with the wrong crowd.
Basically because he had no diagnosis, he had no help & lonliness is a terrible thing, especially for a child, so he found his friends where he could, he's NOT a bad lad, I like him lots.
I think it is reasonable to assert that all personality types should be expected to be represented amongst the autism community. There are criminal autistics and there are criminal non-autistics, there are genius autistics and there are genius non-autistics, etc. I would expect to find similar distribution curves. Why is anyone shocked that there are "bad" people who are autistic? People are people.
This conclusion is as bad as assuming a criminal predisposition based on the race of prison populations because it ignores environment, treatment by parents/peers, lack of ethical/social training and unfair processing once in the criminal justice system.
You know of course, that this does happen. Black people are more likely to be stopped and harassed by police. At least we aspies can't be ided in this way.
Well I don't know, say you are walking a bit funny & look a tad spaced out especially late at night????
My take on when someone is accused of a crime and autistic is a big, SO....? I don't hear though in the media "Man accused of mass murder believed to be neurotypical", "Neurotypical woman released on bond".
This is a concern. By flagging the autism or Asperger's syndrome they are not so subtlety leading the uninformed public to question whether there is a causal effect. That is not right.
The media has been doing it to racial minority groups for a long time, their just plugging a different group into the formula.
Quotes from the article:
"Asperger's sufferers have a tendency to focus intensely on areas of interest,...
ADHD is characterized by a persistent pattern of inattention ..."
So how the hell can anyone genuinely have both conditions? Would anyone like to explain that to me?
I suspect that what we have here are a pair of intellectually disabled people given the label "ADHD" as a nice-sounding euphemism for sub-normal intelligence.
I suspect that you are right, but re this "Asperger's sufferers have a tendency to focus intensely on areas of interest,...
ADHD is characterized by a persistent pattern of inattention ..."
An Asperger's can focus intently on one subject & be totally inattentive to others
Hello,
According to Tony Attwood (world expert on Asperger’s Syndrome), Asperger’s has no effect whatsoever on the probability of one committing a criminal offence. Thus, an Asperger’s individual is no more and no less likely to commit a crime than a Neurotypical individual.
That’s my two cents.
Will
Quotes from the article:
"Asperger's sufferers have a tendency to focus intensely on areas of interest,...
ADHD is characterized by a persistent pattern of inattention ..."
So how the hell can anyone genuinely have both conditions? Would anyone like to explain that to me?
Yup.
The label Attention Deficit Disorder is misleading. It suggests that people with ADD simply don't have any capacity for attention. A more accurate term would be something like "attention inconsistency disorder" because the disorder is characterized by both under attending and over attending.
ADHD people have enormous trouble focusing on things that don't engage them. That's the "problem" so that's what everyone is told and that's how everyone looks at us. Because syndromes and disorders are always defined by negatives and deficits, there's very little *attention* paid to our ability to "hyperfocus."
When I'm working on something or doing something I'm really into, I can spend 6-8 hours of intense focus on it -- it dosen't cross my mind that I haven't eaten, haven't even moved for that time. Hyperfocus is something I and my Aspie partner share -- he as part of his Asperger's, I as part of my ADHD.
I've worked with some ADHD people who don't hyperfocus much. I hyperfocus a lot. At school, when I didn't get homework done, it usually wasn't because I was ufocused -- it was because I was hyperfocused on something more engaging than the homework.
Man unfit to be tried for murder
Article from: The Courier-Mail
Mark Oberhardt
September 19, 2007 12:00am
A MAN who confessed to his psychiatrist that he had murdered a homeless man in Brisbane's Botanic Gardens has been found unfit to stand trial.
The man, 33, was jailed in May 2003 for grievous bodily harm after an attack on a taxi driver. At the time he was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome.
He was released into the custody of his adoptive parents in May 2005 but was later referred to a psychiatrist who had previously assessed him with schizophrenia.
The Mental Health Court heard that while being assessed the man told the psychiatrist he had killed a homeless man by hitting him on the head with a brick.
Groundkeeping staff had found the body of a homeless man, 56, in the gardens on June 3, 2005.
During a police interview, the man said he had caught a bus from Maryborough to Brisbane because he "wanted to commit a murder".
The man also admitted trying to kill a fellow inmate of the Fraser Mental Health Service in 1992.
Police charged him with murder and attempted murder and his case was referred to the Mental Health Court.
In a written judgment, Justice Anthe Philippides found the man was of unsound mind at the time of the offences.
She ordered the man be held at the Park High Security Program for involuntary treatment and care.
We are mostly peaceful people, but sometimes we need to fight for our rights, and our beliefs!