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woman from mars - the diet in that link seems to be very low in protein. Cults have been known to use low protein diets as a strategy to brain wash people.
We had a news story on the Judge Rotenberg Centre here. There was a lovely, gentle looking girl in the story, she was hooked up to a electrical device and when she saw the device that emits the electric shock, she cowered with fear. It was awful - just beyond belief that such a place is allowed to exist.

woman from mars Wrote:

Lucie1 Wrote:
woman from mars - the diet in that link seems to be very low in protein. Cults have been known to use low protein diets as a strategy to brain wash people.
We had a news story on the Judge Rotenberg Centre here. There was a lovely, gentle looking girl in the story, she was hooked up to a electrical device and when she saw the device that emits the electric shock, she cowered with fear. It was awful - just beyond belief that such a place is allowed to exist.

This is the dietary regime :-  ( read recommended as 'this is what you are getting' no argument  !! )  :-

      Foods To Eat
         1.  All whole grains and whole-grain cereals, such as brown rice, corn, oatmeal, barley, millet and wheat berries; many packaged grain cereals, puffed grains and other healthful cereals.
         2.  Squashes, such as acorn, butternut, buttercup, pumpkin and zucchini
         3.  Root vegetables such as potatoes, sweet potatoes and yams
         4.   Legumes such as peas, split peas, black-eyed peas, string beans, and such beans as chick-peas, lentils, and adzuki, navy, pinto and black beans
         5.   Green and yellow vegetables, such as collard greens, broccoli, kale, mustard greens, cabbage, various types of lettuce, and watercress; celery, cauliflower, carrots, asparagus, and tomato.
         6.   Fruit, such as apples, bananas, berries, grapefruit, oranges, peaches, and pears. (Limited to two servings per day.)
         7.   For most people, simple sugars, salt and spices used sparingly at the table rather than in cooking.

      Foods to Avoid
         1.  Avoid all red meat, including beef, pork, and lamb. All are rich in fat, cholesterol, and other harmful constituents.
         2.  Avoid all poultry and fish. Poultry has about the same amount of cholesterol as red meat, while fish varies, depending on type. Some fish are higher in cholesterol than red meat, others lower.
         3.  Avoid all dairy products, including milk, yogurt and cheese. Low-fat dairy products are not recommended because of potential health hazards including allergies, childhood diabetes, arthritis and lactose intolerance.
         4.   Avoid all oil, including olive, safflower, peanut and corn oil. Oil is simply a liquid form of fat.
         5.   Avoid eggs. Eggs are abundant in fat and cholesterol.
         6.   Avoid nuts, seeds, avocados, olives and soybean products (including tofu, soy cheese, and soy milk). Soybean products are high in fat, unless they have been specially processed (low-fat varieties are also not recommended).
         7.  Avoid all dried fruit and fruit juices. (Eat the whole fruit instead).
         8.  Avoid all flour products, such as breads, bagels and pretzels. The less a food is processed the better it is for weight loss. Flour products are composed of fragments of grain, or relatively small particles, which increase absorption and slow weight loss.


It's true that that diet is low in certain kinds of protein.  For most people, a healthy diet would include one or two servings of fish per day and up to one serving of red meat per day (although the advice from nutritionists on red meat is very divided).  However, the students would be getting protein from beans, so it is not totally lacking in protein.
Applying the same diet strictly to everyone is not healthy.  Individual human beings are different from one another and require different diets.

What's really frightening about the diet program is that they can restrict students' caloric intake to as little as 300 calories per day as punishment.

Maybe this is what we have to do. If we want something to be done, we have to do it. We can't just sit here lamenting about our sufferage. We should protest this. Will it happen? No. But this, specifically this, should be place to protest publicly. It's only sadder that almost no one in this community gets anything done. Can't say I don't either though, I'm still too young.

woman from mars Wrote:
I bet one of them is watching.
before long we will have one defending the place.  Rolleyes

that would be good - I would love to hear a parent or some one involved in running the school attempt to give justification for this type of treatment regime. 300calories a day - oooohhhhhhh. Sad

Could the mods please pin those links re: the NY Senate bill?

woman from mars Wrote:
A parents perspective ????????

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However, one of the most disturbing aspects of the JRC is the readiness with which it is embraced by its students parents. the JRC maintains a blog in which it posts messages of support from students parents. None of the students views are represented. A typical example is below:

“Before placing my daughter Julissa at JRC, I suffered tremendously because of her behaviors. She did not obey my rules, she did not listed to me, and she used to go out without permission. When she returned home and I tried to talk to her, she used to get very angry and hit me. When she did something wrong and I tried to give her advice, it was for nothing because she did not listed. One time, she even took money from me without me knowing. She took my ATM card, and since she knew my pin number, she took out $700.00 dollars that I was saving for that month’s rent. At home, we hardly ever slept. My other daughter, my granddaughter, and I were very nervous because of Jusissa’s behaviors.”

“Julissa was admitted to the Metropolitan Hospital in two occasions. Also, she was admitted once at Holewood Hospital in Queens. Every time she left the hospitals and returned home, she exhibited the same behaviors.”

“Even though my daughter was admitted into two different hospitals and was placed into different treatments, and many prescribed medications, nothing really helped her. I give my testimony of faith that nothing has been better than the treatment or better said the discipline that JRC school has.”

This sounds (to me) like a naughty girl. But a girl deserving of the sort of regime described above? Electro therapy because a child wouldn’t follow her mother’s rules?


Sound to me like an average teenager, perhaps a bit naughty but-----------


Bold emphasis added by me.
That right there is the important bit to these parents, the telling bit.  I suffered.  Not, as some people standing up for the JRC claim, that the JRC is a last resort for kids who are a danger to themselves and others.  This mom has a troubled daughter who could stand to undergo some kind of psychological treatment so she will not end up in jail for stealing, but because the mom is suffering so much, she decides she needs a drastic fix.  These people are not concerned for their childrens' well being, they are concerned for their own comfort, and that is why they are willing to send their kids to such a horrific place.

I can't believe a school like this is allowed to exist. Sad You're right, we SHOULD get some kind of a petition... if I could get to Massachusetts, I'd protest...

woman from mars Wrote:
There were certainly a few on that Blogg pretending to be parents & just individuals.

They were caught out through 'pinging' & had to admit who they were.

You may be surprised to know that MANY parents actually do defend the horrible evil place.Sad



Yeah. My parents put me there in the late 1980's and they think the place was/is wonderful. They even wrote glowing letters of praise on the school's propaganda site. All horseshit.

Now, the school is accepting more and more students who were like me: Violent adolescents who act out due to piss-poor parenting. The parents failed in their parental duties, so, the school steps in, and, through a relentless campaign of fear, punishment, and humiliation, scares the students into well-behaved emotionless automatons.

Of coure, the problem with this system, is, once the misbehaving child/young adult is removed from the watchful eyes of their myriad cameras and trained-to-abuse staff members, and the person can cognitively realize that the controls and punishments that held them prior are no longer in place, they will naturally "regress" to their former state. This is primarily because the school concentrates entirely on consequating inappropriate behavior. They're only concerned with exploring causal realtionships theroretically, but not clinically. Also, through the perpetual fear of extreme punishment/humiliation, the student (I can personally attest to this) may experience a marked decrease in "socially maladaptive" behaviors, but, this will be replaced by anxiety and what could be described as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

In my own case, I have 3 years of my life in which, not only was I subjected to cruel and unusual torture of botht he physical and mental varieties, but, I have an experience that is unparalled and inexplicable. When I explain this experience to people outside of the mental health/autism communities, I am subject to a wide spectrum of negative responses ranging from disbelief to outright ridicule. Often times, is as if I was claiming to have been abducted by aliens. Oddly enough, had I claimed alien abduction, more people would have a better frame of reference for that than my seemingly bizarre claim to have been imprisoned in a New England boarding school with retarded children who were shocked and had ammonia pellets dissipated in their nostrils, etc.

No. No help whatsoever.

While I rightfully criticize aversive therapies like those employed at BRI/JRC as a short-term fix, I think that Freudian psychotherapy is a tremendous time waster that encourages perpetual self-victimization. Obviously, psychopharmaceutical solutions are putting a band-aid on problems at best, and, may cause long-term neurological disorders and chemical imbalance/dependencies. I feel the cognitive-behavioral model is probably the best approach in most instances like my own.

Still, I am not a fan of any psychology/psychiatry at all, and pretty much agree with those silly Scientologists with regard to my disdain for/mistrust of the mental health community. Essentially, you have a group in power (psychologists/psychiatrists) who have decided that a set of behaviors/expressions are inappropriate and need to be corrected or medicated.

Until the 1970's, gays were considered mentally ill. Until the 1940's or so, Psychiatrists were broing holes throgh the frontal lobe. How can we take these self-important, pseudo-scientific, witch doctors seriously?


Essentially, Psychology, and Psychiatry in particular is but one step up from Phrenology as an exact, respectable science. Treatments are still largely experimental, and, I dare say that these pricks are obesessed with labelling people to the point where a patient's diagnosed illness can be a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Except in the most extreme cases of Depression, Schizophrenia, and Mania, I see the labelling and "treatment" of people largely useless and kind of a way for the establishment to pinpoint behaviors/philosophies/etc. that are anti-establishment as "mental illness." This not only propagates the clinical and pharmaceutical industries and marginalizes, denigrates and infantilizes another subset of people as "ill", hence, inferior or in need of supervision of some sort.
Well, I have not attended the school in some 16 or 17 years, but, when I was there, the entire school was either on some form of aversive therapy, or, the school was taking individual students to court and in the process of getting them approved for aversives. I was one of maybe 2 or 3 who had not been approved for aversives due to my intellectual capacity. Hundreds of others, however, were indeed approved. they still fucked with me psychologically a great deal. Also, the threat of eventual approval of aversives hanging over my head deterred me from stabbing a staff member or what have you.

Shawnia Wrote:
I recently read an article on the Judge Rotenberg Center, and the torture of the children that attend there, many of whom are on the spectrum.��To check the article out, go to http://www.motherjones.com and search for 'School of Shock'.��What I read there disgusted and horrified me.

I had read in one blog that Aspies for Freedom were involved in getting this school shut down.��Are there any petitions going around to send to the legislators?��I am currently trying to find out who the appropriate person to send letters and petitions to would be.��When I find it I intend to post this on every website and forum I can find.��

Would anyone here be interested in writing a letter and signing a petition to let the government know that torturing someone because they are on the spectrum isn't going to fly in this country?

Shawnia


You think that story is horrifying, wait till you see how they try to sweep it all under the rug in their informational videos. Check out their YouTube Account at http://www.youtube.com/user/JudgeRotenbergCenter.

DigiModify Wrote:

Shawnia Wrote:
I recently read an article on the Judge Rotenberg Center, and the torture of the children that attend there, many of whom are on the spectrum.��To check the article out, go to http://www.motherjones.com and search for 'School of Shock'.��What I read there disgusted and horrified me.

I had read in one blog that Aspies for Freedom were involved in getting this school shut down.��Are there any petitions going around to send to the legislators?��I am currently trying to find out who the appropriate person to send letters and petitions to would be.��When I find it I intend to post this on every website and forum I can find.��

Would anyone here be interested in writing a letter and signing a petition to let the government know that torturing someone because they are on the spectrum isn't going to fly in this country?

Shawnia


You think that story is horrifying, wait till you see how they try to sweep it all under the rug in their informational videos. Check out their YouTube Account at http://www.youtube.com/user/JudgeRotenbergCenter.


OOPS! Here' s a better link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/JudgeRotenbergCenter

woman from mars Wrote:
A parents perspective ????????

Quote:
However, one of the most disturbing aspects of the JRC is the readiness with which it is embraced by its students parents. the JRC maintains a blog in which it posts messages of support from students parents. None of the students views are represented. A typical example is below:

�Before placing my daughter Julissa at JRC, I suffered tremendously because of her behaviors. She did not obey my rules, she did not listed to me, and she used to go out without permission. When she returned home and I tried to talk to her, she used to get very angry and hit me. When she did something wrong and I tried to give her advice, it was for nothing because she did not listed. One time, she even took money from me without me knowing. She took my ATM card, and since she knew my pin number, she took out $700.00 dollars that I was saving for that month�s rent. At home, we hardly ever slept. My other daughter, my granddaughter, and I were very nervous because of Jusissa�s behaviors.�

�Julissa was admitted to the Metropolitan Hospital in two occasions. Also, she was admitted once at Holewood Hospital in Queens. Every time she left the hospitals and returned home, she exhibited the same behaviors.�

�Even though my daughter was admitted into two different hospitals and was placed into different treatments, and many prescribed medications, nothing really helped her. I give my testimony of faith that nothing has been better than the treatment or better said the discipline that JRC school has.�

This sounds (to me) like a naughty girl. But a girl deserving of the sort of regime described above? Electro therapy because a child wouldn�t follow her mother�s rules?


Sound to me like an average teenager, perhaps a bit naughty but-----------


Sounds very much like one of my sisters - except, instead of hitting mom, she would hit me. She wouldn't dare hit mom, who was the only one who wouldn't believe that she stole my Playstation even though the last time we saw it was when she asked to take it to a friend's house and my mom said it was okay, even though I warned we'd never see it again. Rolleyes

Crazy idea here - does anyone know of how to obtain full specs for the "GED" (the electric shock device: Graduated Electron Deacellerator)?
Specifically, the radio frequency it uses for remote control and whether it's in a band civilians can legally broadcast on.

I'm wondering if it would be possible to jam the controls basically, and if it's a civilian band this could be entirely legal too. (If it isn't then forget it)

Someone could build a few small jamming devices and drop them in strategic locations, when the electric shocks stopped working the media would eventually pick up on it and we'd have an instant controversy. I won't speak to how the students could then easily rise up themselves.

woman from mars Wrote:

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I recently blogged about the Judge Rotenberg Center and a few employee�s and ex-employee�s came to offer their opinions that it was OK to inflict pain on people until they did what you want.

Like most quacks, they failed to show any evidence that their way was any better then a non-pain inducing methodology so one was left with the conclusion that they used pain as a tool because it appealed to their natures as people.

Anyway, I�ve been taking a long hard look at the JRC website and received a bit of information which led to what I believe is a breach of US law governing personal data and data protection issues.

I�m going to have to talk broadly here as I don�t think it would be ethical for me to show you exactly what steps I took to stumble across this data. However, not only are the full names of all current staff members on public display, there are documents I�ve found which contain a full listing of all current students, represented by initials, together with details about which schools/units they�ve attended prior to JRC. There are also documents which mention at least 4 students full names, together with photographs of these students.

Let�s also be clear that the method I utilised to get to the data under discussion did not in any way reflect any hacking, cracking, injecting or otherwise any unethical practices. It came from a chance mouse click and some really dreadful .NET coding on behalf of the JRC�s web developer(s).

In the US it is the Dept of Health and Human Services which have governance over the regulations that dictate what is legally acceptable and what�s not under HIPAA.

From the HIPAA site:

Generally, what does the HIPAA Privacy Rule require the average provider or health plan to do?

For the average health care provider or health plan, the Privacy Rule requires activities, such as:..[]...Securing patient records containing individually identifiable health information so that they are not readily available to those who do not need them.

It seems pretty clear to me (but remember I�m not a US citizen or overly familiar with the intricacies of US law) that the posting of student personal data on an insecure web server where it can be accessed by a chance mouse click is a clear contravention of the above legal guideline.

I posted what Id found to an American friend I trusted and this person was able to replicate what I�d done and was also presented with the same confidential data. As an American citizen my friend is free to make a complaint following the process outlined here and in fact I understand this process is underway. The official complaint contains full details of how the data was discovered and exactly which data it was that was found.

Upon checking the source code of a few pages (the source code is the code that a web page is written in) I was shocked to find the following statement:

<!--#include virtual = "connectDB.asp"-->

I have altered the path and file name referred to but essentially this file is used to declare a connection to an online database. I now knew the exact path to the .asp file that contained the database server name, username and password which means that it would not have been to difficult, if I was so inclined, to connect to the JRC online database. I was not so inclined and so I have no real idea what�s in the database but I would imagine it would be pretty important stuff. It�s also further illustration of the woeful state of the security on the JRC website.

Student safety is paramount and so if any JRC staff are reading this, please email me and establish exactly who you are (no anonymity allowed) and I will tell you exactly how this confidential data was accessed. I�ll even make a few suggestions as to the nature of the coding error and how you might fix it.

I don�t suppose this breech will result in JRC getting shut down but I think it will ensure the close attention of data protection specialists and probably ensure a hefty fine. Here�s hoping. I�ll keep this blog up to date with how the complaint goes.


I found this just now.

If I am posting too much re this subject will someone please tell me, I tend to get on a roll & continue long after others get fed up.
Thanks


ASP files are interpreted server-side, so I doubt that simply looking at the URL in your browser would show the contents - just like you can't see the source code for this forum when you visit it but only the HTML output.

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