08-23-2007, 09:06 PM
Chelation is basically where you try to get rid of any suspected excess of heavy metals in a human body. It does work for those with heavy metal poisoning.
It's too bad.
It's too bad.
08-23-2007, 09:06 PM
08-23-2007, 11:23 PM
sarahjoke Wrote:
What is chelation exactly? I'm sure know one has tested to see what it does to people that don't have metal poisoning... (sarcasm)
Not only that, Sarah, but it's never been tested for safety for long term usage. Or usage in children. That's what I understand anyway.
Chelation is standard treatment for mercury poisoning in particular. That's why the mercury militia push it as a cause of Autism - because there's a small amount of mercury in thiomersal/thimerosal (depending on which country you live in). That's a preservative used for vaccines - hence their attack on vaccines like the MMR (measles mumps rubella). It was invented in 1931, and the mercury militia push that as the birth date of Autism given the Leo Kanner did his work on Autism in 1943 - tying in with their theory.
Of course the smart people know that Autism has been around for a lot longer than that!
I know of one story where chelation did help, because the child's intestines were clogged up - with heavy metals. The pain that was causing the child was creating a massive sensory overload and consequently constant spinning, stimming and so forth. Remove the pain, remove the overload. Visible improvement.
Didn't cure Autism though!
08-24-2007, 02:00 PM
Read: http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=584
I really recommend this blog to anyone and everyone interested in autism quackery, the author digs up some nasty dirt and is able to explain confusing things really clearly.
I really recommend this blog to anyone and everyone interested in autism quackery, the author digs up some nasty dirt and is able to explain confusing things really clearly.
08-24-2007, 05:03 PM
I've heard of several cases of fatal outcome of chelation, but I still don't understand what death causes are.
08-24-2007, 10:43 PM
Andrew Wrote:
sarahjoke Wrote:
That is so sad... How can the doc still be treating patents if he has a criminal trial coming up? That seems odd... but I'm no lawyer.
I think it's because the doctor does not have his medical liscence revoked. At the time of the article they were trying to get his medical liscence revoked, but has not yet. (at the time of the article)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think it's a case of "You get your license revoked in one state, but that doesn't stop you from getting one in another state".
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Yeah...they were just called "idiots," "raised by wolves," and "eccentrics."
Perhaps there was simply something about the academic culture at the time that led people to look into these children and find a certain common ground between them.
Perhaps there was simply something about the academic culture at the time that led people to look into these children and find a certain common ground between them.
Absolutely. The advancement of science through the academic culture was held back quite a lot by religious fundamentalism (for example, the flack Charles Darwin copped by the church for his theory of evolution), which is why people believed the "idiots, raised by wolves" etc BS. It's why Kraepolin was all but ignored when he first wrote about the Autistic Spectrum (calling it "youth dementia") in 1893. Eugene Blueler then sent our science up a cul-de-sac with his work on schizophrenia - an effect that was seen as recently as 1994 before the DSM-IV came out. The result was uneducated quacks were missing HFA and DXing schizophrenia instead. Some are still doing that today even after the DSM-IV-TR in 1999. It was understandable between 1908 and 1943 - because no work had been done closer to Kraepolin's lines until Leo Kanner did it in 1943. I wouldn't be surprised if Hans Asperger was following the same line as Kanner - of course he was hidden behind the Nazi curtain at the time which is why Kanner's work got all the attention.
Kevin Leitch's blog is terrific. I even picked up a note from his blog which I used on my last post on my own blog (have to look for some more stuff for a new post there when I have a moment!).
wilky
08-24-2007, 11:32 PM
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Chelation is standard treatment for mercury poisoning in particular. That's why the mercury militia push it as a cause of Autism - because there's a small amount of mercury in thiomersal/thimerosal (depending on which country you live in). That's a preservative used for vaccines - hence their attack on vaccines like the MMR (measles mumps rubella). It was invented in 1931, and the mercury militia push that as the birth date of Autism given the Leo Kanner did his work on Autism in 1943 - tying in with their theory.
There has never been any thimerosal in the MMR vaccine.
The argument concerning Dr Wakefield's research into the MMR vaccine as a cause of autism has nothing whatsoever to do with "Thimerosal".
At least get your facts and theories straight before you start 'educating' others.
08-25-2007, 10:22 AM
I wondered how long it would be before some poor child died of chelation.
08-25-2007, 11:01 AM
wilky Wrote:
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Chelation is standard treatment for mercury poisoning in particular. That's why the mercury militia push it as a cause of Autism - because there's a small amount of mercury in thiomersal/thimerosal (depending on which country you live in). That's a preservative used for vaccines - hence their attack on vaccines like the MMR (measles mumps rubella). It was invented in 1931, and the mercury militia push that as the birth date of Autism given the Leo Kanner did his work on Autism in 1943 - tying in with their theory.
There has never been any thimerosal in the MMR vaccine.
The argument concerning Dr Wakefield's research into the MMR vaccine as a cause of autism has nothing whatsoever to do with "Thimerosal".
At least get your facts and theories straight before you start 'educating' others.
That was rude.
I never said Wakefield's work in the UK was based on thiomersal. His work WAS used for that reason in the US in the Vaccine Court. That is what I meant.
I do not have my facts wrong. You took my comment out of context.
08-25-2007, 01:23 PM
The issue is that a lot of people think MMR immunisations have mercury in them and they are not getting them for their kids, leaving them at risk of catching measles, mumps or rubella. It is now known that none of these are the "minor childhood diseases" that they used to be thought as.
I think having measles caused me some brain damage, making what were previously very mild aspie symptoms somewhat more severe.
I think having measles caused me some brain damage, making what were previously very mild aspie symptoms somewhat more severe.
08-25-2007, 07:50 PM
Are these parents who refuse to get their kids the immunizations prepared to home school? I'm always told that my kids can't come to school at all unless their immunization records are all up to date.
08-26-2007, 11:21 AM
Are you in Australia, 7oclock? If not then that's interesting! If so, then yes - that's right. That was part of the initiative former health minister Dr. Michael Woolridge started - with the full support of the opposition. Any child without up to date immunsation records can be refused access to school until that issue is fixed up. It's not a guarentee mind you, but schools have the right to do it.
08-26-2007, 10:11 PM
Nope, I live in the U.S.A... Pennsylvania to be specific. And I pretty much thought that was the law in most states. I'd have to look it up to be sure... at some other time.
I don't know what is common in other countries. Thanks for the info on Australia. Interesting that it's just come into effect recently.
I don't know what is common in other countries. Thanks for the info on Australia. Interesting that it's just come into effect recently.
08-26-2007, 11:20 PM
7oclock Wrote:
Nope, I live in the U.S.A... Pennsylvania to be specific. And I pretty much thought that was the law in most states. I'd have to look it up to be sure... at some other time.
I don't know what is common in other countries. Thanks for the info on Australia. Interesting that it's just come into effect recently.
I don't know what is common in other countries. Thanks for the info on Australia. Interesting that it's just come into effect recently.
Actually - no, it's been there for a number of years. I think it came in in 1999 as I recall.
General point. If thiomersal wasn't part of the case against the MMR jab in the US Vaccine Court in June - how come it was specifically mentioned in the prosecution's opening remarks that the Autistic girl was injected with 12.5 micrograms of mercury each time she got an immusation shot?
08-27-2007, 04:55 AM
alexmagnus Wrote:
I've heard of several cases of fatal outcome of chelation, but I still don't understand what death causes are.
Apparently, most chelation drugs remove ALL metals, including essential minerals like iron and calcium. That's why you have to be careful even if there IS heavy metal poisoning.
08-27-2007, 10:40 AM
JennaP Wrote:
Timelord Wrote:
General point. If thiomersal wasn't part of the case against the MMR jab in the US Vaccine Court in June - how come it was specifically mentioned in the prosecution's opening remarks that the Autistic girl was injected with 12.5 micrograms of mercury each time she got an immusation shot?
The Vaccine Court dealt with two seperate scenerios. 1- Thimerasol in vaccines causing autism. 2- The live viruses in MMR vaccines causing autism.
It was one case. Everything was put together.
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