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I grew up in London (Highbury until aged 10, then Golders Green). Here are some great places to visit, some better known than others...

The Cutty Sark - currently closed for restoration following the fire earlier this year, but Greenwich is still an interesting place to visit. Maritime Museum, the Observatory on top of the hill (great to run down!) and nice villagey feel with interesting little shops.

Bethnal Green Museum of Childhood

Kew Gardens. I had my nineth birthday there, a picnic on an icy February day followed by exploring the greenhouses and getting yelled at by a park-keeper for climbing a rare magnolia tree. Years later one of the guests said it was the best party she'd ever been to. 'Nuff said.

Hampstead Heath - open-air swimming in summer, tobogganing in winter (if it ever snows again) and an art gallery in Kenwood House too.

The Wetland Centre, Barnes. Just getting off the train at Barnes makes you feel in another world. Smile

Still on an environmental theme - you can see genuine Walter Segal self-build houses in Walter's Way SE23 (across the road from Honor Oak Park station).

All Saints' Church, Margaret Street, Westminster. So High Anglican it makes Catholic churches look Calvinist!

Oxford Circus is only worth visiting for Liberty's. Kensington High Street, Covent Garden and, dare I say, Brent Cross, are much pleasanter places for high street chains. Just don't be fooled into thinking that Brent Cross tube station is anywhere near the shopping centre - go there by bus. Kensington High Street is home to a branch of Oxfam which is a great place to pick up nearly-new designer clothes, as is Hampstead High Street Oxfam and the Red Cross in Ebury Street SW1 (Belgravia) - who knows, you might find Lady Helen Taylor's cast-offs there. Smile

I'm not completely up to date with the London eating scene, not having ate out there for many years. But for what it's worth, here are some eateries I've enjoyed:
* Lemonia (Greek) nr Chalk Farm tube
* The Mango Room (Caribbean) opposite Camden Town tube
* Gaby's Bar (Lebanese) on Charing Cross Road - the best place to go for pre- (or post-) theatre sustenance
* Sabras (south Indian vegetarian) in Willesden.
* Cafe Japan in Golders Green. It's not all bagel bakeries in NW11!
* Fortnum & Mason and Harrods foodhall for free samples
* And if it's Hannukah, head to the public menorah-lighting sessions at Golders Green (or sometimes at Whitestone Pond on the way to Hampstead) and you might get a free doughnut. Shalom!

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My wife's from London (or rather greater London--Croydon area). See misses London quite a bit. I enjoy visiting but must confess I find the place a little overwhelming--people in London seem to all be in a hurry to get somewhere...

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Moo Wrote:
i live in london. its good but very expensive.

Yes, everything is always a few pence more expensive in London (as compared to Nottingham where I live).

You'd think being a big city, they'd have stuff that was cheaper because shops could buy in bulk but maybe that would only apply to supermarkets; the speciality shops would still be dear with their prices.

I would like to travel to London sometime but can't see it happening anytime soon as finances just won't permit.

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tenaciouscj Wrote:
You'd think being a big city, they'd have stuff that was cheaper because shops could buy in bulk but maybe that would only apply to supermarkets; the speciality shops would still be dear with their prices.

I would like to travel to London sometime but can't see it happening anytime soon as finances just won't permit.

There's a lot to see in London...not just the tourist stuff.
People in London and the South East are paid more than people in the rest of the UK--that's probably why shops can get away with charging higher prices.

That is dearer than Australia but there are certainly some places where the drinks are expensive here. The prices of lollies and other food at most movie cinemas is verging on the ridiculous. I don't like movie popcorn much and wish they would do honey butter popcorn.
The last "touristy" thing in London I did was the JE Millais exhibition at Tate Britain. I was a bit taken aback by the steep admission charge (£11) - I must have been away from London too long! - but at least the permanent collection is free. Did you know you can travel between London's two Tate Galleries by riverbus? Rather appropriate after you've looked at Turner's paintings of Venice.

Other favourite galleries:
* Kenwood House (see my earlier post)
* Dulwich Picture Gallery: get the train from London Bridge to North Dulwich and follow signposts through the Village.

Aeolienne Wrote:
Did you know you can travel between London's two Tate Galleries by riverbus? Rather appropriate after you've looked at Turner's paintings of Venice.


The Independent
Home > Environment > Green Living
Go with the flow: Commuting by river could be the cleaner, greener way to get to work

By Richard Sharp
Thursday, 7 February 2008

Sweat streamed down my back as the Tube train came to another faltering stop somewhere between Oval and Kennington, on another masochistic morning commute. After more than a decade of resentment against London Underground, I ran past stoic-looking passengers and instinctively headed towards the river Thames. As I stood on the South Bank, I watched as a single kayak glided serenely under Waterloo Bridge. This riverside epiphany got me thinking. Surely the Thames could provide the perfect solution for my travel frustrations. Why not use it to travel to work in east London? Living in Tooting, I'm within cycling distance of the river. Couldn't the Thames be my cleaner, greener and serener way to commute?

By speedboat

Curious to find out how easy it is to access the Thames, I drop in at Westminster Boating Base, across the river from Battersea power station. Chief instructor Kevin Burke tells me that, unlike the rest of the European Union, you do not need a licence to navigate the tidal Thames from Teddington lock to the Thames barrier. "Theoretically, anyone could get in a boat and row, canoe, sail, and navigate the Thames," he says, "but it's advisable that people are experienced and take sensible precautions, such as not going out on the water alone." Burke runs a four-day sailing course which enables participants to be reasonably competent to take a sailing boat out on some sections of the Thames.

The first leg of my commuting plan becomes a reality when Kevin offers to get me to work by river. The following day I excitedly make my way down the sloped walkway leading to a 50-year-old blue speedboat, lovingly restored by the Westminster team and rescued before it was crushed in a scrap yard.

Fulfilling my favourite James Bond fantasy, Kevin allows me to drive the boat as we speed past the MI6 buildings, and I suppress the childish urge to shout out "live and let die". Incredibly, there are no speed limits once you get past Wandsworth Bridge moving back towards the City.

We pass the hidden Tyburn river, which runs into the Thames near Vauxhall Bridge, and glide into the beautifully Dickensian St Saviour's Dock, which is impossible to see other than by boat. This conjures images of gas lamps and tidal fog in a bygone age. Along the river I gaze awe-struck at coots, mallards and confident cormorants, and then Kevin waves me off at Wapping. I walk the remainder of my journey into work with a spring in my step. On a good day, Kevin tells me, and without the tourism, we could do this trip in a mere 15 minutes.

By barge

The next day of my river commute I am greeted by perfect clear blue skies as I head towards Putney Bridge, having managed to blag a lift to work on a barge. As I cycle past Tooting Broadway, hundreds of disconsolate looking passengers pour out of the Tube station issuing torrents of abuse to the long-suffering staff as a result of "severe delays". I realise that river travel might not be the slowest method of getting into work after all.

As I arrived at Putney Pier, the impressive-looking Tidy Thames Recycling Barge chugs towards me, carrying its cargo of recycled paper and bottles. Colin Murphy, the skipper, and Bradley Ling, the mate, help me and my bike aboard, and then present me with a steaming cup of tea in their warm and cosy cabin.

The trip turns out to be an environmental education. Colin says: "More businesses along the river are starting to use recycling services, as it works out to be a more cost-effective method of refuse disposal. The Recycling by Water project has significantly reduced users' waste going into landfill sites. The positive environmental benefits of using the Thames are that it reduces traffic and pollution by taking greater quantities of waste per boat trip than conventional road vehicles".

As we work our way up river, passing under Wandsworth Bridge, Colin describes some of the wildlife he has witnessed on the river: "You often get seals sunning themselves along the shores near to Chelsea Harbour." He says some Thames residents do not understand that the Thames is still a working river and have complained about the noise of his barge. He dismisses this intolerance as "one of those things", and I suspect Colin's laid-back resignation might have something to do with the tranquil environment in which he operates. There seems to be very little evidence of white van man syndrome out on the water. I'm dropped off at Blackfriars Pier and cycle on to my next meeting.

By boat-share

My barge trip was pleasurable, but not practical. But what if I could rope in some of my fellow commuters to travel to work by river together. I decide to gather volunteers for a "boat share", in which 12 local acquaintances who normally travel the same direction to work will leave their cars at home and commute from Chelsea to Tower Bridge. Michael O'Keefe, who operates Flying Fish Power Rigid Inflatable Boats (RIBs), is happy to oblige and sorts us out with a lift to work. No sooner have I sent an email looking for crew members than I'm flooded with requests from fellow battle-hardened commuters, desperate to book a passage.

Come boat-share day, 12 south Londoners gather next to Albert Bridge on a cold and overcast morning. The boat powers off at an alarming pace, then thunders along the Thames at more than 45 miles per hour. Suddenly, it turns on a sixpence, purely for our entertainment, causing a roller-coaster, stomach-churning effect on its human cargo and inducing ecstatic cries ranging from "Oh, my God" through to "this is brilliant". At the end of the journey there is a collective sense of elation, and commuter Adam Leaver enthusiastically observes: "I have always lived in London and wanted to get nearer to the water. This trip has made me want to use the Thames more. This was the ultimate travel-to-work fantasy."

This being our first boat-share, we took the time to make the most of the novelty. However, without any interludes, the total journey time from Chelsea to Tower Bridge would have been no more than 15 minutes. So could we make a habit of this? The cost of chartering the boat was £245 and so worked out at £20 for each commuter. While this is too pricy for everyday commuting, an occasional trip is highly recommended.

By Thames Clipper

There are, of course, those who already commute regularly by river. The following day I jump on to one of the London River Services (LRS) fleet of Thames Clipper boats travelling from Waterloo Bridge to Canary Wharf. After barges and speedboats, the Clipper is the height of luxury and I settle into the luxurious armchair, stretch out my legs with a good book and admire the view.

There isn't a more romantic and exotic way to get to work than by the river, and you experience a sea change from hot and bothered commuter to urbane traveller as the Houses of Parliament and the London Eye roll by. John Chapman uses the Clipper regularly for his commute: "I've always been fascinated by the Thames as it's the life blood of London. Commuting by water has certainly put me in a more relaxed frame of mind. This is one London's best-kept secrets."

The Clipper service carries 2,000 passengers a day and there are stops along the river at Bankside, London Bridge, Canary Wharf and continuing up to Woolwich. During the week, there is a boat every 15 minutes and the cost of a single ticket from Waterloo to Canary Wharf is £5.50. With an Oyster card, it falls to £3.60.

Managing director Sean Collins explains: "We are under capacity at the moment and so have increased the service by adding six 120-seater boats to our fleet. The trip from Blackfriars to Canary Wharf takes only 18 minutes, making it the fastest method of getting to that particular destination."

And unlike during rush-hour on the trains, you can take bikes on the Clippers, so this really is a practical option for anyone living and working within pedalling distance of the river.

By kayak

The ultimate in carbon-neutral and self-reliant transport must surely be paddle power. Could I get to work by canoe? I thought it would be advisable to learn the ropes. Steve Williams invites me along for a Sunday paddle with Chiswick Pier Canoe Club, one of a number of associations dotted along the Thames for water enthusiasts. On a beautifully crisp sunny morning, I set off from Chiswick towards Putney with 15 Sunday paddlers as part of one of the club's extremely laid-back and accessible taster sessions.

On our journey up river we encounter herons and strange floating coconuts. Passing under Hammersmith Bridge, hearty shouts of "good morning" greet a couple passing above our flotilla. At the end of the two-hour trip there is a tangible sense of fellowship, and the psychological advantages of using the water are becoming obvious.

So could I commute like this? Steve Williams, the chief instructor at the canoe club, is doubtful. He says you could do it in theory, but highlights a few practical issues: "You would need to find a location to safely get in and out of the water. Secondly, the kayak and waterproof kit would need to be stored. Finally, you would have to work out the best times to undertake the journey to fit in with the tidal flows of the Thames and from a safety point of view it's advisable not to undertake the journey alone."

Maybe this one will take a bit more planning. But my journeys have opened up a new world of possibilities, where the river has provided a realistic, and often greener, alternative to road or rail travel, with the bonus of reduced stress and increased pleasure. Its waters have connected me to river workers, canoeists, water commuters and sailing enthusiasts, all of whom have a healthy obsession with the water.

I didn't expect the high levels of individual and collective euphoria after a speedboat ride, barge lift, boat-share or group kayak. Most surprisingly, was falling in love with the river Thames. So the next time you're flustered after being stuck underground for longer than is good for you, do yourself a favour and take a walk to the river.

Michael 1 Wrote:
Sometimes I go out late at night and drive around central London

Why anyone wants to own a car in central London is beyond me. Or do you belong to a carshare club?

pezar Wrote:
Apparently AFF is based in England

The founders Amy and Gareth live in Wales.

pezar Wrote:
Loch Lomond is actually my ancestral home

That's not in England either!

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I went to London at the weekend to visit my wife’s friends. They’re great people and it was nice to see them; but I hated driving around London. I find it a very overpowering, almost Claustrophobic place. As if too many people have been crammed into a tiny patch of planet, for no other reason than to get on each other’s nerves.

ichtms Wrote:
Have had thoughts on catching a ferry from Gothenburg, Sweden and hit the antiquarian book stores.

Unfortunately you've missed the boat. The Gothenburg-Newcastle ferry was axed in 2006:
http://www.seat61.com/Sweden.htm#via%20Esbjerg
I don't know when the Gothenburg-Harwich service was axed, other than it was some time between 1995 (the only time I used it) and 2003 (when I travelled to Estonia via Newcastle - Gothenburg - Stockholm - Tallinn). Either way, there are now no ferries between Great Britain and Sweden. Jattesynd. Sad

Incidentally, the place for antiquarian book stores is not London but Hay-on-Wye in Powys, Wales.

ichtms Wrote:
Go down to the Themsen riverbed at low tide to see what's been deposited there.

We call it "the Thames". Presumably "the Themsen" would be a grammatical tautology, containing as it does two definite articles. Although I have been known to refer to "the Jostedalsbreen". But at least I never pronounce Ikea as "Eye-key-a".

ichtms Wrote:
I understand that you have lived in Sweden for a shorter period and that it was the worst time of your life; Where? When? What for? Why was it so awful?


I was in Stockholm between August and December of 1995. Here's something I posted earlier in "What is your main emotion?" in the General forum:

Aeolienne Wrote:
I was really keen to spend a year studying abroad, and as I'd always been good at foreign languages, it had to be in Europe rather than North America. When I first approached my tutor about this, he said Konstanz University in southern Germany would be best for me in terms of the choice of course offered. Plus I'd done two years of German at school, so it made a lot of sense. But a few months later came the news that Konstanz had temporarily pulled out of the exchange programme, and the only other German university on offer was at Bielefeld. Not knowing one German university town from another, I mentioned this to my mother, who promptly said "You don't want to go to Bielefeld, it's an ugly industrial town. Anywhere else but Bielefeld! Why not somewhere in Scandinavia?" And on the basis of that I decided to go to Stockholm. The fact that I would have to learn Swedish from scratch didn't daunt me, because I was (supposed to be) good at languages. And this exchange link was described as an "approved Erasmus exchange" - Erasmus standing for European Action Scheme for Mobility of University Students - which would make one suppose that it had been checked out, audited or whatever by some Brussels bureaucrat. Unfortunately I was to discover that this was far from the case. In practice all "approved Erasmus exchange" means is an informal agreement between two universities. It doesn't imply any kind of external monitoring. It doesn't mean the scheme will work out - and in my case it certainly didn't. I never got proper Swedish language tuition to enable me to understand lectures - just very basic tuition. Eventually I learned that all the other exchange students in Stockholm attended tailor-made courses for foreigners in English, hence what Swedish tuition was on offer was intended merely to enhance the interest of their time there. The so-called Erasmus supervisor in the philosophy department (who spent the first half of the semester away in Helsinki) knew nothing of this - he just assumed that whatever Swedish tuition I received would be intended to make me fluent. Socially too the experience was a disappointment. Although allegedly Stockholm University had lots of clubs and societies to join, finding out about them was another matter entirely. There was no freshers' fair, no societies directory and worst of all was the attitude of many students I spoke to: "Yes, Stockholm is a boring university in a boring city. You should have gone to Uppsala."

Sat_Chit_Anand Wrote:
Chalk Farm/Primrose Hill/Hampstead/Camden/Belsize Park = Architectural Gastronomical Cultural Fabulousness

OOOH there's posh!
Spotted any celebrities lately?
And is the Greek restaurant I recommended earlier still there?

Sat_Chit_Anand Wrote:
It took me 30 minutes on the tube to get from Oxford Circus to TCR today, and all I wanted was the Northern Line.

Central line, surely? I'd have walked myself - I generally avoid taking the tube for journeys of just one stop within zone 1.

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