Aspies For Freedom

http://www.mugsy.org/rosie.htm

it's almost boring isn't it?

Boring like a drill to the head.

Punnage! :grin:

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Boring like a drill to the head.

so true!

I'd rather be put on fire on a torture rack thank you very much, than listening to that pathetic sorry drivel.

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When Gill and Nick Gillard of Bushy Hill Drive, Guildford, discovered that their first child, Rosanna was autistic they were devastated. But Gill was determined to improve her daughter's prospects.
This is her inspiring story.

Inspiring story my arse.

compare:

When we discovered our daughter was female we were determined to help her overcome her femaleness.

When we discovered our son was autistic were determined to help him overcome his autism.

Gareth Wrote:

compare:

When we discovered our daughter was female we were determined to help her overcome her femaleness.

When we discovered our son was autistic were determined to help him overcome his autism.

Well put, hardly much of a differance between the two.

This mother states:

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My search led to me finding out about the work of Ivor Lovaas,a Norwegian psychologist who has worked with autistic children since the 1960's. He had undertaken an experiment where 47% of chiIdren who had completed his therapy, had gone on to pass through the normal schooling independently and went on to lead normal lives.

The children started the programme aged 3-4 years when the brain is said to be more malleable. Follow-up studies are being carried out on these children, who are now in their twenties and thirties, and there is no sign of autism.

Isn't that untrue? I read that it has never been proven that the method actually works as it says. And I also read somewhere that with a lot of these kids the autism 'comes back' when they are older.

Gareth Wrote:

http://www.mugsy.org/rosie.htm

it's almost boring isn't it?

poor deluded fools!

Isn't Mugsy.org Wendy Lawson's website? I didn't think she'd be in favour of something like that.

Uschi Wrote:

This mother states:

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My search led to me finding out about the work of Ivor Lovaas,a Norwegian psychologist who has worked with autistic children since the 1960's. He had undertaken an experiment where 47% of chiIdren who had completed his therapy, had gone on to pass through the normal schooling independently and went on to lead normal lives.

The children started the programme aged 3-4 years when the brain is said to be more malleable. Follow-up studies are being carried out on these children, who are now in their twenties and thirties, and there is no sign of autism.

Isn't that untrue? I read that it has never been proven that the method actually works as it says. And I also read somewhere that with a lot of these kids the autism 'comes back' when they are older.

47% success? That sounds like failure to me! Well, I'm glad this bloke didn't get anywhere near my kids - so far 60% are now in their twenties and 100% of them are leading perfectly happy lives, thank you. 'Normal'? What the heck is a 'normal life'? Rolleyes

One hundred percent of me is having a great life, too - and I had no part in this programme either. Tongue

"Ivor"

I'm alittle bit offended by the mispelling cuz "Ivar" is my name too.

I think Intensive Behavioral Intervention seems alot less dubious than other interventions - First sign of not being something quackery is that it has specific goals along the process in contrast to things that on the bottom line are only supposed to "reduce symptoms of autism".

However, what the goals of the intervention is, how the intervention is done and whether it is time well spent can and should be criticized - in my opinion, but I don't really know much about IBI and ABA in practice.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Uschi Wrote:

This mother states:

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My search led to me finding out about the work of Ivor Lovaas,a Norwegian psychologist who has worked with autistic children since the 1960's. He had undertaken an experiment where 47% of chiIdren who had completed his therapy, had gone on to pass through the normal schooling independently and went on to lead normal lives.

The children started the programme aged 3-4 years when the brain is said to be more malleable. Follow-up studies are being carried out on these children, who are now in their twenties and thirties, and there is no sign of autism.

Isn't that untrue? I read that it has never been proven that the method actually works as it says. And I also read somewhere that with a lot of these kids the autism 'comes back' when they are older.

47% success? That sounds like failure to me! Well, I'm glad this bloke didn't get anywhere near my kids - so far 60% are now in their twenties and 100% of them are leading perfectly happy lives, thank you. 'Normal'? What the heck is a 'normal life'? Rolleyes

One hundred percent of me is having a great life, too - and I had no part in this programme either. Tongue

"normal" is a a false sense of security for the intellectually lacking or extremely boring.

It's interesting how these supporters of Lovass, love to ignore the reality that one of his most famous cures. Putting an Autistic child on a electrified metal floor, putting an electric current generator on their back, and sending electricity through their body when they misbehaved. The one's I've talked to refuse to belive this is true, and it has happened.

So basically they're saying, torture my child normal. These kind of people don't deserve children.

I think it's wrong to teach kids that their choices don't matter. Any sort of behavioral intervention has at it's core a desire to "take control of behavior." It's far too much control to allow choice to develop. Human beings, in order to develop healthily, need to be able to make choices. Imposing some stereotypical appearance of "higher functioning level" is not worth the damage done by behaviorism.

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