Aspies For Freedom

Don'tknow where to put this, but here it goes.

My boyfriend, who is both Mormon AND AS, is going on a mission in Salt Lake City, Utah. When I asked him what he would be doing for his mission, he told me this:

I just find it sad that a lot of people with AS don't have a lot of job opportunities as do many other people in the  Affirmitive Action plan. My boyfriend may not think like a lot of people, but he's a good person and knows about working and responsibility.

Of course, he tends to keep a very possitive look on things. At least he won't be away for too long and we won't be TOO far apart from one another, so we can still keep in contact. I guess there's always both sides to one story.

I sort of agree with the direction that max is going... in that there's no way that mormons are going to let him do a traditional mission. And even if they were, he'd hate it anyway. All they do is deal with people on a full-time basis... and I can't think that all of those people are refreshingly open-minded about embracing mormonism... So why would he WANT to do that? I think the mission prez or whoever he talked to could have not made it sound so much like people AS are so bad, but that could start a whole other tangent I need not enter.

In my opinion, mormonism is a very feeling-based religion. I studied other religions for quite a few years, even went to mormon seminary in HS for a year.

I kinda see what your saying about affirmative action, though in my knowlege I am not sure about where AS fits into that... But I don't think it makes sense. I man in a wheelchair can't really be a full-on firefighter, correct? Because he cannot physically meet the demands of the job. (Unless I'm completely wrong here, forget this paragraph if I am.) I wouldn't be anywhere near the jobs they give those kids... and I can't see why anyone with AS would want that.  

AS+sales(whether religios or retail or commercial sales) = crazy

but maybe someone here with AS LOVES to be around people and answer questions on a whim and smile a lot and make friendly eye contact and talk about their feelings openly with strangers... um... probably not.

The disappointment, I promise you, will be all yours. You know very little about Mormons, and you'll likely find out the hard way.

Absolute lie. Other Christian Religions did not call for execution as a punishment for whites marrying blacks. Nor did they claim being black was a mark of evil and withhold full membership. Nor did they say blacks could not attain their equivalent of heaven. Nor did other mainstream religions declare slavery a sacred institution that should never be abandoned. http://www.geocities.com/GodsandMormons/racism.html

And do you know about the Mormon families who shun their gay kids and throw them out of their homes, and the suicides, and the electro-shock "cures" that have gone on for decades at BYU?
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/14/story_1400_1.html

That's entirely subjective and fairly ridiculous, as if all churches had an identical, precise number of atrocities to its credits. But you won't find sites like this one on Methodists, Episcopalians, Unitarians, etc... http://www.exmormon.org/ There are so many sites like that on the LDS.

You seem to know nothing about Mormons except what a Mormon told you. Obviously, that's no way to find out the truth.

Let's make a deal, Chis. You don't tell me to "calm down" and I won't tell you to "make sense" or "stop babbling."

Don't assume I'm upset when I tell the truth about Mormons. It's rather enjoyable.

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon_shorts.htm

I think what Max is talking about is "THE" mormon church, not necessarily every mormon. The same way someone may tell me that "ALL" christians have dynamite in their backpocket so that they can blow up an abortion center any time they want. Okay, I've made the abortion statement twice now, my apologies.

But some people see a whole unit and think everyone is that unit. Like when you buy a cheesecake with multiple kinds of cake in it... you can't judge the whole cake by one slice.

However... like I said earlier I studied mormonism quite a bit... to some depths I'd rather not think about anymore. Mormonism really is rooted in a lot of bad stuff, some of it isn't in place so much in their presented dogma (like polygamy and racism) Some mormons still believe that stuff, I haven't found too many mainstreamers that do.

I have a lot of fundamental problems with mormonism, and that's why I'm not a mormon. I respect their savant-like ability to memorize scriptures by the barrel-load and their obnoxious optimism is something that many try to emulate... but in the long run there are too many problems for me... personally.

Oh... and funeral potatoes... made some last night. YUM...

You'll forgive me if I am unmoved by the "some of my best friends are..." line. It's what all racists and homophobes say.

No, they just tortured people and executed them based on someone's accusation that they were a witch.  [/quote]

If the best defense of your religion is "other religions are just as bad as we are" then I wonder why you would be a part of any of them.

The witch burnings -- back in the 1600's -- was an isolated   craziness better compared to the Mormon's notorious Mountain Meadow Massacre (the largest mass murder in American history until the Oklahoma City bombing.) "Witches" are not a whole class of people -- like black people -- relegated to a lower status. There is no such thing as a supernatural "witch." Black people do exist -- and the  Mormons branded them an inferior and "loathsome" race -- whites being "delightsome" (and you know I'm quoting directly from the Book of Mormon.) Murder of mixed couples and mixed-race babies is just one of the more horrific examples of racist Mormon doctrine. There are many others.

Yes, I could and, yes, I would. But this thread is specifically about Mormons. And for sheer intolerance, ruthlessness and deceit the Mormon church really is worse than other "Christian" denominations. The point is not that there are "faults" in other religions, it's that you can't refute a single thing I'm saying about the Mormons.

Hey, thanks! that's very generous of you! I think I'll take you up on that offer!

If telling the truth about a religion is "discourtesy" then that religion needs to re-examine its truth. An intolerant, power-hungry, homophobic, racist, false religion is not deserving of courtesy, especially from the people they continue to witch-hunt.

The Mormon religion is not due and respect or deference. It's just a silly scam cooked up by a convicted con-man. Much less respectable than the equally true and infinitely less harmful Flying Spaghetti Monster. http://www.venganza.org/about/

As a matter of fact, yes, it does. The beliefs and teachings of the Mormon church are racist and homophobic, and anyone who holds those beliefs is racist and homophobic. If Mormons were not taught to reject rational thought, you would see that for yourself.

Then you are not familiar with the teachings of Brigham Young, elder Mark E. Peterson, and the book of Mormon itself. Blacks can't achieve the third level of the celestial kingdom (where men -- and men only, not women -- become actual gods and get their own planets) Blacks are allowed into the lower heavens (as is everyone) but in elder Peterson's words, "He will go there as a servant."

Yes, in Mormon Heaven the black people get to be servants/slaves to the white people.

Anything else I can help you with?

There's nothing "extreme" about what I'm saying. It's just the truth. I know that throwing truth on religious extremists is -- to use your endless meandering metaphor -- like throwing water on the Wicked Witch, but that's the witch's problem.

If I am saying anything that is not true, point it out.

I'm always amused that hate-based cults are supposed to be allowed to persecute others, but if anyone speaks the truth about the cult -- and speaking the truth is not persecution -- it's all "boo-hoo-hoo, those mean people whom we despise and conspire to rob of their civil and human rights are mean to us."

I've never donated a penny to take away the Mormons right to believe in hateful nonsense, but they have spent tens of millions of dollars to deny me my rights as an American and as a human being.

Lecture them, not me.

I personally have a hard time just understanding how any aspie could possibly believe in the Mormon doctrine.  Sure, I feel this way about most religions, but I haven't heard of a religion that's more ridicules sounding than Mormonism (except maybe Scientology, but I believe that to be more of a scam).

Sure, there's some pretty dumb people out there that believe any number of things, but for Aspies who spend so much time thinking to believe that a man found golden plates in Minnesota, which contain a new third biblical testament which can only be read through magical "seer stones" by him himself and he can't show them to anybody else?  Then to go on to believe that when someone tested him to see if he could re-record the same text from the  plates only to get a different version and an excuse that he had to read a different plate as a punishment for telling others about his info sources?

I'm not trying to be a biggot or anything, I do respect other's rights to believe whatever they want, but I in complete honesty can't for the life of me even imagine how someone with Asperger's, or any shred of inteligence for that matter, could actually believe this story to be absolute truth, I just can't.

but he's not nailing christians... he's nailing mormons. Please stop calling them that GuessWho... its a misnomer.

thanks.

And really, nothing Max has said is untrue. Mormonism is rooted in all of those things he has said. The only thing that's wrong is his rash generalizations... I don't think the younger or lower-tier mormons know all of the dark sides of their own religion. Some of that is because their young or uninterested in some way, but a lot of that is because mormonism keeps their members in the dark about those things.

There are a lot of very nice mormons. It is unfortunate that their church keeps them going round with memorizing scripture to keep them from asking the big questions... and when they do ask the answer is very diluted.

I got tired of going in circles, that's why I stopped researching mormonism. At a certain point the information stops. You can't dig in dry cement with a spoon.

Valid point. I thought Max was a good guy.

Again with the piecing together the pieces of a social network. ick.

Religion was conceived as a way of explaining the word around early man.
later,it was realized that it could secure positions of power,influence and easy lives for those who could spin a good bullshit.

nothing much has changed

Religion is,cant remember who said it,the largest,most widespread legal form of mind control in  in existence today.
good grief,tis 2007.stop trying to explain away the shadows.

Eraly Mormon texts said it was the greatest sin next to murder.

The more current teaching is that it is a depraved sickness that should be "cured." There is no such thing, the church says, as a "homosexual mormon."

I tend to disagree, since when I lived in Mormonville I got hit on by so many Mormon men. Almost always married and unbelievably miserable.

however,many Christian leaders protest against gay marriage laws-i smell one huge *** off pile of hypocrisy.

and i doubt those same leaders will forgive the "crime" of homosexuality.

I apologize for saying that mormons are not christians. According to my own personal definition of what being a christian is, they are not christians. Mormons, and quite a lot of other people, consider themselves christians and I cannot say for them what they are and aren't, just that they don't fit into my definition.

Sorry.

This thread is giving me a headache and is reminding me of why I stopped studying other religions. bye.

Well to be honest, I personally believe that anyone who believes in any religion is wasting their time on a meaningless outdated ritual which they use more or less for a placebo effect to make them feel slightly better about themselves, something that could easily be replaced with some good drugs.  But that's just me, I'm an Atheist, I don't believe there to be any higher deity of any form, so therefore I can't honestly say that those who do believe in a higher deity are anything less than misguided or potentially insane.

Why is it that if someone says they have an invisible friend named Steve, they're considered a drain on society get locked up in a mental institution, but if they say they have an invisible friend named Jesus, they're considered to be good moral productive members of society?