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One of our own, Groovy Druid on WrongPlanet.net, wrote an article on AS, nonverbal communication and success in romantic attraction http://www.wrongplanet.net/article297.html

One of his referenced sources is a book titled The System by Roy Valentine.

The full title of the book suggests a dehumanizing goal with respect to women (and men too).

I purchased all three works Groovy Druid referenced as a prelude before joining E-Harmony.  If I have to deal with a woman within face range I want to know how to read her.

But back to Valentine, I don't even need my religion to oppose parts of his thesis, which include
a. sex only is not a favor, Roy
b. neither is encouraging someone to cheat

In grad school I learned a healthy appreciation of the sociological and humanist philosophy of Karl Marx (a dreamer a humanist died poor).  Compare to Lenin the rabble rouser and Stalin the butcher.

Marxism is intended to advance the human spirit by doing without certain cultural practices typical to capitalism.  Sex for sex sake is one of them.  So would be a crowded, dimly lit, noisy bar near Marshall University where I guess the idea was to find someone and leave with him/her for a more sane atmosphere to be alone.

My reaction is
1. what kind of man is that?
2. what kind of woman would want that?
3. Maybe they deserve each other.

When my friends over the mountain of marriage tell me it ain't about the sex, I believe them.  Love is the atmosphere that is always there.  Love can do most of the work itself.  And it makes the rest of it special.  I will concede that the short list of celibate marriages in a book (People's Almanac #2) is a cruel kind of starvation.  

But I will read the remaining two books when they arrive.  

I will read Valentine for the nonverbal aspects of being recognized in a woman's heart.  But only in her heart mind you.
Incidentally, on occasion, Max, Playboy has the occasional good article, such as Charles Rangel on the need for a draft to get America out of Iraq (Bush would not send his twin daughters to Iraq!) and the final fate of the U.S.S. Eldridge (Philadelphia Experiment?)

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In case you don't know the Philadelphia Experiment, a legend has it that in 1943 the United States made a destroyer teleport from Philadelphia to Norfolk and back again.  Only problem was the ship was rocking, and it is impossible to keep steel and human bodies from getting mixed in together, and the degaussing radiation drove some men mad, set them on fire, or made them fade in and out at odd times.  That might be the reason we haven't figured out time travel, that, and the fact that relative to the center of the universe, we are never in the same place twice (the Earth rotates and orbits the sun, the sun and the rest of the Milky Way galaxy are racing away from or toward the Big Bang, etc.).
The danger of chasing after a sense of romanticism versus judging a man by his character is that a man without any character may be able to play a good game, so she is hurt.  

Also, she would deny herself a great man just because he hasn't learned a certain kind of mate-pleasing learned behavior!  Naturally, both of them would lose out on that one.

LEARNED Behavior!

Just because we are Aspergians, doesn't mean we can't learn.  I have already learned a significant amount of back channel recognition of nonverbal communication because I have learned to use my conscious mind, not my non-existent intuition which works for most other people.
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