Aspies For Freedom

Many people believe in god only for the fear of going to hell, also there are many people who go to church in the morning and in the afternoon are gossip bad things about their neighbors

I'm atheist, but i think anyone is in his right of believe anything he want's if that makes him happy

Ive been hearing of Dawkings. Anyway , In Germany 30 % of people arent even affaliated, and so am i not , and I am atheisitic, too becasue I dont like the idea of a personified god. flying around , I prefer the Force

i thought it was a panda. . .

Whoa there, you're making a number of mistakes here. Apart from horrible spelling, grammar, punctuation and rhetoric, that is. Let's take it from the start:

I suspect you are referring to the Problem of Evil. But of course, the PoE only works if you define God as good and the world as bad. One could remove the problem by denying one of these. So the PoE is only a problem for a certain subset of gods.

Of course, if you're employing the PoE as an argument against the existence of a god you're probably familiar with the various attempts to answer it -- called theodicies -- such as the free will defense, the attempt to redefine evil, the best of possible worlds defense and so on.

Science is not a person, and so doesn't know anything. We do not know for a fact that the universe is infinite. And even if we did, infinity is such a counterintuitive concept that your normal intuitions are just about useless when dealing with it. So take it easy and relax with the bombastic statements regarding infinity. I suspect you and I do not understand infinity.

Did you know, for instance, that one kind of infinity can be "larger" than another? That I call counterintuitive.

No. Is he someone you know?

Perhaps you're referring to Richard Dawkins, the biologist and author of "The Selfish Gene", "The God Delusion" and other books.

If you had read The God Delusion, the only book-length peace he's written on God and religion, you'd see that he does not prove, and does not claim to prove the nonexistence of a god. He explains "Why there almost certainly is no God". That's the title of one of the chapters in The God Delusion. Perhaps you should read it.

I am not a biologist. That does most emphatically not mean I cannot talk to Richard Dawkins without having a degree in biology.

The author of the original post in this thread is either very stupid, a troll, or both. Which only goes to show that there are stupid atheists too.

Personally, I do not believe there is a god. I believe there is no rationally justified reason why one would believe that. But I flatter myself with the idea that this is for the right reasons and not because of some faulty understanding of the popularization of the comments of  a biologist and religion critic whose name I don't even know.

Well, I would say taking anything that puts your mind in a state where it produces such profound irrationality is a sign of stupidity...but what do I know.

(Totally unrelated, but I found the following message when trying to post this reply funny: You are trying to post a message too quickly after posting a previous message. Please wait 1 more second. As if a second makes much difference. I realize this is because one must set a limit somewhere, and that it's probably hardcoded in the board software, but it's amusing nonetheless.)

The guy seems to be gone. He couldn't write and his thoughts weren't worth writing in the first place.

I know; his name was crossed out. I just felt the need to correct his poor spelling.

I certainly haven't seen Him around.  The Old Testament said if you saw God's face you would die. Revelations said when you see Jesus, everyone else will, and it will be too late to be sorry.  (The New Testament is less accurate as to when the believers will be beamed up, before, after, or during Jesus second coming)

Perhaps it is more accurate that Satan will get somebody who doesn't believe.  Jesus is your protection from Satan.

Good post nambo, except that science is a method of discovering facts and the relationships between facts.  In that it can be an agenda, you are right, but not all scientists go along (indeed, often the exceptions are ostracized though)

What if God created the world and universe gradually over billions of years?

I don't believe in either god or the devil.

*forces the thread author to listen to Vogon poetry* XD

God does seem kind of care free to me on some issues.

Especially tithing.

Don't you just love it the way some preachers spin the whole reap the rewards argument of tithing?

You have robbed me in your offerings and the tenth of your crops.  So a curse is on you, because the whole nation has robbed me.  Bring to the storehouse a full tenth of what you earn so there will be food in my house.  Test me in this, says the LORD All-Powerful, "I will open the windows of heaven for you and pour out all the blessings you need.... All the nations will call you blessed, becuase you will have a pleasant country, says the LORD All-Powerful."

Malachi 3:8-12.

Although the specific context of that passage was for a Jewish community with a secular governor [Micah 1:8], that passage requires God to bless your giving with more giving.

I used to do that in graduate study and up to the time when I first moved out (when $50 a week was a hardship, I only tried it once).  Recently I assumed a per-capita share of church expenses (estimated $20/week per capita, of which a hefty chunk goes for utilities, especially climate control).  Apparently it was not the will of God to keep me in Greenbelt because when the Federal position ended six months later, seven interviews did not replace the job, and I had to return back to Mom's (she was better company than a cat any day).

And why is my brother so prosperous if he neither tithes nor indulges God by recognizing His validity or even His existence?

All I am saying, for crying out loud, if it was so self-evident that doing the right Godly things made you so prosperous, then any dumb fellow, even Homer Simpson or my brother, would follow the Lord.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, God exists and He really blesses His people.


God could do that if He wanted to draw attention to Himself.  Certainly Jesus wants everyone to pay attention to Him.

Anyone else feel like God seems to prefer His space?  A little like us?

God also lets Satan stick around and bugger things up.  Maybe to let Satan prove himself a poor manager of things, and maybe to show the other angels that God doesn't just zap opposition right away in Heaven.

my parents actually exercised freedom of religion- they let Mom's sister (Jehovah Witness) mail in literature, etc.